Hi Erich,

How much of an issue is having write protection? I can understand that it is 
better in theory but I can't think of a commercial firewall product (Cisco PIX, 
Linksys, DLink etc) that does not use flash and that has any sort of write 
protection. If having boot from R/O media is an issue you could boot from CD 
and save to a floppy. You could also write protect CF media with a hardware 
hack to the cable. With USB/CF systems I always keep a backup of the boot 
media. It's not as simple as a power cycle but I can always get back to a known 
state if I need to although this has yet to be an issue for me. So from my 
perspective this would seem to be a non issue for most users and that for those 
few where it is an issue there are ways around it with some extra work.

Obviously I don't have your perspective on the issue and I may be in the 
minority here and while I don't need 2.6 features yet it does seem to me that 
there must be quite a lot of development work that goes into squeezing a 
working system onto a floppy. It would be a shame if this is being done to no 
purpose.

Does anyone on the list boot a system from floppy disk or save config files to 
floppy disk?  


I will take a look at the 2.6 CVS. 


Dave


-----Original Message-----
From: Erich Titl [mailto:erich.t...@think.ch] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 2:40 PM
To: Dillabough, Dave
Cc: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [leaf-user] Project Admin

Dave

Dillabough, Dave wrote:
> I'm wondering how much of an issue it is to have a system that will fit on a 
> floppy. I would think that being able to boot off of a USB drive or a CD/USB 
> combo would be more pertinent today given as few machines even come with a 
> floppy as standard equipment anymore.  USB booting would eliminate the 
> futzing around with non standard disk sizes and would be a lot more reliable 
> and as well. I have been running some variant of LRP/LEAF since the 2.x days 
> both at home and for various work related uses and the most common failure is 
> mechanical i.e. drives or fans. I switched to booting off of CF cards and 
> fanless power supplies a couple of years ago and am much closer to my goal of 
> having a solid state  appliance that I can install and ignore. Even buying 
> the smallest CF cards available I still need only a small fraction of the 
> card to boot LEAF. The world has moved on from the floppy drive and I think 
> trying to keep future versions of LEAF small enough to boot from a floppy is l
argely an artificial constraint now. If for some reason the use of a floppy is 
required then older versions of LEAF are still available. 

do not misinterpret me, I wrote an early HOWTO about using secure flash
disks for leaf :-( and yes, I agree, I live easily with the flash memory
world.

There are 2 main things that are different from a floppy

- size
- write protection

In my eyes, the write protection is the more important factor. There
have been multiple attempts to solve this, amongst it unloading the
device driver.

There has been a experimental 2.6 release on CVS which was hardly used
by anyone, hey, this is an open source project, get your hands dirty.

cheers

Erich



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