Finally! All will be happy to know that I've dug back to the beginning of this morning's crop of messages :-)

Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:

But if you do not make a credible case that something is being overlooked, nobody is going to waste time on your proposed process to look for things that are being overlooked.

I work in the astronomical community. Many long, long years ago, when this issue was first broached, we started vetting issues pertaining to astronomy. This change would surely cost us millions of dollars. Criticizing the one group who have taken the time to look is rather brazen.

You have mentioned planes, trains, shipping, power and military applications. I gather you have experience with these projects. Somehow it is my job to vet your systems from the outside? At the very least, grep the source for terms like "DUT1" to search for the Y2K-like issues. This won't catch the implicit dependencies on Earth orientation. Perhaps there are none. If so, a risk analysis should be straightforward. That isn't an argument to skip it.

Proposing red tape commisions in the absence of evidence of their need, is a widely recognized stalling tactic.

Again, I find it truly bizarre that after all my previous rhetorical gambits, the one topic that gets a rise out of the group is a simple, heartfelt suggestion that proper system engineering practices be followed.

        System engineering != red tape

Far from stalling, separating problem definition and requirements discovery from a tradeoff study of possible solutions is the fastest way to proceed.

Rob

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