First, I could not retrieve the previous versions of 460-xx. No one I met with knew how to do that!
I met with Mr. Yvon Henri, Chief, Space Services Department, ITU-R, and Venkatsubramanian Srivanasan, who works for him. They have nothing to do with UTC. They maintain Vol 1 of the Radio Regulations. They are familiar with the SG/WG processes. With regard to 460-6 moving forward to the Radio Assembly, they state that this is normal. They claim that consensus is rarely achieved in Study Groups and that Chairman often send on matters that lack consensus. They assert that the reason is that most failures to reach consensus are political. One or more disadvantaged countries tries to impede those that are more advanced. I asked why there were study groups if they had no power to deprecate unworthy items. They referred me to Colin Langtry, who seems to administer all study groups. I did not have time for that. Lest my visit not have been productive, they gave me a lapel pin! Fortunately, this was not the purpose of my trip to Geneva. I just received editors' feedback on the American Scientist article. I was overseas and unable to send copies to those who requested them. Now I am able. Please resend your requests to my work email ([email protected]) so that I can attach a copy in response to each email. 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ACM article (Steve Allen) 2. rewriting history of Torino Colloquium (Steve Allen) 3. Re: rewriting history of Torino Colloquium (Poul-Henning Kamp) 4. Re: rewriting history of Torino Colloquium (Rob Seaman) 5. Re: rewriting history of Torino Colloquium (Poul-Henning Kamp) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2011 09:56:48 -0700 From: Steve Allen <[email protected]> Subject: [LEAPSECS] ACM article To: Leap Second Discussion List <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii PHK's article seems to be here http://queue.acm.org/detail.cfm?id=1967009 -- Steve Allen <[email protected]> WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB Natural Sciences II, Room 165 Lat +36.99855 1156 High Street Voice: +1 831 459 3046 Lng -122.06015 Santa Cruz, CA 95064 http://www.ucolick.org/~sla/ Hgt +250 m ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2011 18:49:44 -0700 From: Steve Allen <[email protected]> Subject: [LEAPSECS] rewriting history of Torino Colloquium To: Leap Second Discussion List <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii When the ITU-R held its colloquium in Torino in 2003 the Italian institute was the IEN. Originally the proceedings were online at http://www.ien.it/luc/cesio/itu/ITU.shtml During subsequent reorganizations that became the INRIM. Until recently they had continued to host the proceedings of the 2003 colloquium at this URL http://www.inrim.it/luc/cesio/itu/ITU.shtml I was recently informed that this link is now dead. Much more to my surprise I find that there is no trace of it in the Internet Archive's wayback machine. Fortunately the wayback machine had crawled the original website, and during at least some of the many crawls the content was available. I suggest that anyone who wants not to forget history should grab a copy of the proceedings. -- Steve Allen <[email protected]> WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB Natural Sciences II, Room 165 Lat +36.99855 1156 High Street Voice: +1 831 459 3046 Lng -122.06015 Santa Cruz, CA 95064 http://www.ucolick.org/~sla/ Hgt +250 m ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2011 08:52:16 +0000 From: "Poul-Henning Kamp" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [LEAPSECS] rewriting history of Torino Colloquium To: Leap Second Discussion List <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 In message <[email protected]>, Steve Allen writes: Steve, What the Italians did is called "Forgetting history" which is far more common and very often perfectly acceptable, than the far more insidious charge you level. Please turn down your inner Glenn Beck a notch or two. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 [email protected] | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence. ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2011 06:55:16 -0700 From: Rob Seaman <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [LEAPSECS] rewriting history of Torino Colloquium To: Leap Second Discussion List <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Poul-Henning, Howdy! > What the Italians did is called "Forgetting history" which is far more common and very often perfectly acceptable, than the far more insidious charge you level. Um, Steve's message ended with: "I suggest that anyone who wants not to forget history should grab a copy of the proceedings." There aren't any charges, level or otherwise. > Please turn down your inner Glenn Beck a notch or two. Steve isn't the one dreaming of conspiracies here. As with any palimpsest, "forgetting" history is the first step to the "rewriting" of history in the subject line, whether or not that rewriting is actively undertaken. He merely mentions surprise that the site isn't in the wayback machine - that's a long way from suggesting that somebody has Mr. Peabody bound hand and paw in the trunk of their car. You might crank up your own inner Brian Lamb. Rob ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2011 14:31:37 +0000 From: "Poul-Henning Kamp" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [LEAPSECS] rewriting history of Torino Colloquium To: Leap Second Discussion List <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 In message <[email protected]>, Rob Seaman writes: >Poul-Henning, Howdy! > >> What the Italians did is called "Forgetting history" which is far more common and very often perfectly acceptable, than the far more insidious charge you level. > >Um, Steve's message ended with: "I suggest that anyone who wants >not to forget history should grab a copy of the proceedings." There >aren't any charges, level or otherwise. Please check his subject line. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 [email protected] | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence. ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ LEAPSECS mailing list [email protected] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/leapsecs End of LEAPSECS Digest, Vol 53, Issue 2 *************************************** _______________________________________________ LEAPSECS mailing list [email protected] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/leapsecs
