On 2006-01-13, Ed Davies wrote:

>  This conversation is making something of a meal of a simple
>  point.  You can treat UTC as a real in either of two ways:
>  If you don't count the leap seconds then the good news is that
>  days are all 86 400 seconds long but the bad news is that the
>  real is undefined during the leap second and there's a
>  discontinuity (or rather, a surprising continuity in that
>  at some point it's 23:59:59.999999.... and a whole second and
>  a tiny bit later it's 00:00:00.0000....).
>  If you do count the leap seconds then that real is the same
>  as TAI but the days it's divided up into aren't all 86 400
>  seconds long.
>  Sort of like, is it a particle or a wave? :-)

   At the risk of being misunderstood as sarcastic: if
   users of UTC were really expected to understand such
   strange concepts (Schrodinger time) I would plead for the
   immediate abolishment of UTC. Why cannot UTC be simply taken as
   the reading of a clock that runs at the same rate as TAI and
   that is is set back by a second every once in a while?

>  The truth is that UTC only really makes sense as a year,
>  month, day, hour, minute and second value.  Years have 12
>  months, months have 28, 29, 30 or 31 days, days have 24
>  hours, hours have 60 minutes, minutes have 59, 60 or 61
>  seconds.

   Then why can the IERS express UTC in the MJD notation?

>  The use of the 23:59:60 notation is described in ISO 8601.
>  Is it also specified in TF.460?  If so, how do they relate
>  it to the notion of DTAI?

   Yes, it is specified in [ITU-R TF.460-6. Annex 3]:

       "The dating of events in the vicinity of a leap-second shall be
       effected in the manner indicated in the following Figures:"

   Follow some pictures; for a positive leap second, it looks like:

                          |    leap second
                    |     |   |
         |          |     |   |       |
         |          |     |   |       |
        59         60         0       1
        ---30 June, 23h 59m-->|<--1 July, 0h 0m

            Designation of the date of the event
               30 June, 23h 59m 60.6s UTC

   They also say:

      "C Coordinated universal time (UTC)

      UTC is the time-scale maintained by the BIPM, with assistance from
      the IERS, which forms the basis of a coordinated dissemination of
      standard frequencies and time signals. It corresponds exactly in
      rate with TAI but differs from it by an integer number of seconds.
      The UTC scale is adjusted by the insertion or deletion of seconds
      (positive or negative leapseconds) to ensure approximate agreement
      with UT1."

      "E DTAI

      The value of the difference TAI � UTC, as disseminated with time
      signals, shall be denoted DTAI. DTAI = TAI - UTC may be regarded
      as a correction to be added to UTC to obtain TAI. The TAI - UTC
      values are published in the BIPM Circular T. The IERS should
      announce the value of DTAI in integer multiples of one second in
      the same announcement as the introduction of a leap-second (see �


   Michael Deckers

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