Hi Chris,

>> Yes, but also not much use, IMO. It's about the same thing as storing
>> images as BLOB fields in a database as opposed to just dropping the images
>> into a directory as a jpg file and linking to it.
>
> There are some differences though.  In general, if I put something
> that the web server needs *write* access on the filesystem, then I
> have to assume that it could be compromised, either by a bug in our
> software, or by a bug in other software running on the same web
> server.  If we put it in the db, then the web server itself only has
> permission to access the file based on the credentials of the
> currently logged in user.  I suspect that there may be some serious
> security gains if we can get to the point where the main application
> doesn't need write access to the filesystem at all.

What kind of security/access control does lsmb have now and how granular 
is it? (Just a pointer to a document will suffice, thanks).

Is it normally setup to use ssl/tls or just basic authentication?

Where are PDF files created using LaTeX? (and associated work files) 
Normally the latex 'compiler' needs write access in the filesystem.



> I don't actually think that all templates need to go in the db, just
> the user editable ones.
>
> One way or another, we have to have strong enforcement for HTML
> templates and these need to be sufficiently strong to prevent other
> web applications in the same server from being able to write to those
> files.  The filesystem really isn't designed to do this,
> unfortunately.

Certainly. Just run a copy of Apache with a different UID/GID than any 
others on the box and force the ownership/permissions to match.


>> This would also not be a 'good thing' for performance if there are already
>> conerns over lsmb performance and the use of mod_perl.
>
> Well, right now, the major performance concerns are in page load.
> This can be an issue if you have to worry about the responsiveness of
> an application for each line of a 100-line invoice you add.  On the
> other hand, waiting an extra half-second for the template isn't the
> same sort of workflow bottleneck.

So the performance issues are in the database pulling up the invoice 
values?


> I am more worried about being able to exploit loadable templates in
> this way.

I don't understand what is exploitable about a template..(?) Sorry.

> I think restricting access in the db and sanitizing the
> template before it is saved (and the input before it is rendered) is
> likely to be the easiest and most robust way to prevent arbitrary
> malicious users from breaking into the application.

Hmm. Not sure about that, but again, I'm not clear about the issues.

Les


> But I am open to other suggestions.
>
> Best Wishes,
> Chris Travers
>
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