On 3 Jun 2008, at 22:47, Luke wrote:

> On Mon, 2 Jun 2008, beamends wrote:
>
>> The after asking round a bit, it seems the vast majority of small
>> businesses (>3 employees) have no computer system at all, pay a
>> book-keeper to enter things (they don't know, or care, what into),
>
> This is very much not my experience in the U.S..
>
> For almost any business here, three employees or more, the idea of not
> having a computer of some kind involved, is almost unheard of, at  
> least in
> my experience.

I think he meant less than three employees.

> ...
> many of us elect to go the simple and well established route of  
> setting up
> a corporation, or more these days than before, a limited liability  
> company
> (which is a sort of combination of a corporation and a limited  
> partnership
> with no general partner).
>> ...  You don't
>> actually need an accountant, even when a Ltd Co. until you reach the
>> threshold where independent auditing becomes mandatory.
>
> What exactly is a limited company anyway?  You keep talking about  
> them,
> but I am not familiar with non corporate or non trust structures in  
> the
> UK.

A limited liability company. I believe that limited liability  
companies are required to state themselves as such on their  
stationary, invoices &c (as the sole-trader Pete's Plumbing must  
state "Proprietor: Pete Purvis"), and although a trendy modern  
company might head themselves "Trendwords Design" in big print at the  
top of their letterhead and in small print at the bottom "Trendwords  
Design is a limited liability company, VAT number 123345, registered  
office 123 Some Street", it is adequate (and quite traditional) in  
the UK to simply say "Bob Smith Hauliers Limited" (or "Frank's Fruit  
Ltd.").

The other information (VAT number, address of registered office) must  
also be given on the stationary, but it's not uncommon here in the UK  
to see "Bob Smith Hauliers Limited" or "Frank's Fruit Ltd." on the  
side of a van.

>> The owner knows what's going on because he's there going it.  
>> Reports are
>> fine, but more often than not they will only back up what the owner
>> already knows. There is no need to try an operate a small business as
>> though it were Megacorp. We've just had a very quiet week. It happens
>
> Here, to operate "as a megacorp" is much the same as operating as a
> "minicorp", and is, imho, considerably easier and cleaner than  
> operating
> as a soul proprietorship.

I think he just means, "due to the hands-on nature of small business,  
reports aren't so important in their accounting software". The boss  
knows that he is making less money this week because fuel prices have  
gone up, and he doesn't need a report breaking down costs by department.

Stroller.

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