Hi Frans,
We should speak about this virtualbox thing.
I used nginx+fcgiwrap, it seems working fine, give it a try.
Let's continue in private.......
Cheers,
István
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>Ref.: Install sickness
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>Hi Darald,
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>One tip dont be unfriendly to Open Source People and dont force them to follow
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>perspective or your thoughts or ideas.
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>Dont forget these guys (no girls I assume) do this job in their free time
>without charge.
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>You and I know Ledgersmb is constantly developing. Chris and his core
>developer team
>are doing their best to improve the features within LSMB. Consequently this
>could be
>result in a different installation procedure. I have experienced this several
>times and now
>again. The support I get is wonderful realizing that the person has not all
>the time of the
>world.
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>Indeed LSMB is not the easiest software but it is straightforward. Now I am
>coping with
>configuration with Apache 2.4. I have nearly found the clue but still
>exploring and it is a challenge to
>find.
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>For instance I found out that for ubuntu you have to change
>ledgersmb.conf.default
>into ledgersmb.conf. Why I dont know but it works.
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>Again these guys (developers and engineers) need respect.......and open source
>is an
>exploring activity.
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>Okay enough about this. As soon as I have a virtual image of 1.4 working I
>will message
>you. Damn...........Apache.....lol.
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>kind regards
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>Frans
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> 1. What can you do with a disk image? (Pongr?cz Istv?n)
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>Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2014 15:08:35 +0200
>From: Pongr?cz Istv?n pongracz.ist...@gmail.com
>Subject: [Ledger-smb-users] What can you do with a disk image?
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>Hi,
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>Nowadays there are a several virtualization techniques on the market, lot of
>them are
>free. I limit the question to the "full" virtualization: virtualbox, kvm,
>microsoft
>version (whatever they called), xen (maybe).
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>I would like to know, what can you do with a simple disk image, which holds a
>complete 32
>bit system?
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>Are you able to convert to your preferred format? (vmdk, vdi, raw, qcow2 etc.)
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>Are you able to create a 32 bit virtual machine, with 1GB RAM and 1 LAN port
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>used), VESA compatible VGA and import the virtual disk image?
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>Are you able to adjust the guest system to fulfill your virtualization?
>(kernel for
>virtual machines, guest packages like in virtualbox etc.)
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>Bye,
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>From: Erik Huelsmann ehu...@gmail.com
>Subject: Re: [Ledger-smb-users] install sickness
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>Hi Darald,
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>>> If one have a recent (strong) workstation/laptop, it is easy to install
>>> the recommended distribution and get ledgersmb working.
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>> Easy to install - - - - hmmmmmmmm - - - - 3 year old instruction list as
>> the most up to date - - - - hmmmmmmmmmmmm - - - - working system - - - -
>> not at all.
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>> Somehow I will disagree that LedgerSMB is easy to install. If you have
>> done it a number of times - - - it may be. As a computer user installation
>> requires the services of a specialist and that defeats the purpose of using
>> OSS.
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>On earlier occasions I kept quiet, because I didn't feel my contribution on
>the subject would be constructive or even positive. However, this time I
>can't suppress the urge to respond.
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>The age of documentation doesn't really matter if there's no release
>requiring different instructions. Apparantly, others worked off those
>instructions just fine or knew how to get it installed with some extra
>information from the users list. Additionally, there is a significant and
>well supported network of people who offer professional services, including
>installation services for very reasonable fees. Some may even charge less
>than the cost of a copy of proprietary systems on the market (e.g.
>Quickbooks Pro).
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>If you really think (F)OSS software can be managed without specialist
>knowledge, you're wrong. Some of the most complex software is developed as
>OSS. LedgerSMB, being an ERP (not just an accounting system), is among
>those complex systems. As Istvan pointed out, lots of things can go wrong
>if a system isn't managed with the right knowledge. Just being able to set
>up LedgerSMB isn't enough to safely manage your business's data.
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>Also, just bitching around on the users mailing list and then on the
>development mailing list isn't going to improve the situation. Frankly,
>from what I read, you were mainly showing your own incompetence to set up a
>working Linux machine, failing to select the right software to install --
>not even getting to the point where you could start to install LedgerSMB,
>even though numerous people stepped up to help.
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>> As my business does not need multi-user capabilities I will change to
>> lurker mode and check back in about 4 to 5 years from now and see if the
>> installation complexities have been changed. I just can't afford to have my
>> financial data held hostage by outside companies.
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>I'm affraid waiting 4 or 5 years won't help. Installation and especially
>management of a LedgerSMB software install will get easier, but won't get
>to the levels where it's end-user-level point-and-click install and
>management -- the level that you seem to be looking for. The software is
>simply too complex. If you want something point-and-click, I suggest you
>try something else. Maybe osFinancials (
>http://www.osfinancials.org/indexold.php/en/) can offer what you're looking
>for. If osFinancials doesn't work for you, maybe GnuCash (
>http://www.gnucash.org/) can. The latter is definitely more aimed at the
>consumer level than LedgerSMB; a friend of mine uses the former.
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>I hope you do find what you're looking for somewhere. I really do. It won't
>be here. I'm sorry.
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>--
>Bye,
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>Erik.
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>http://efficito.com -- Hosted accounting and ERP.
>Robust and Flexible. No vendor lock-in.
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>Subject: Re: [Ledger-smb-users] install sickness
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>On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 8:43 AM, Erik Huelsmann ehu...@gmail.com wrote:
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>>>> If one have a recent (strong) workstation/laptop, it is easy to install
>>>> the recommended distribution and get ledgersmb working.
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>>> Easy to install - - - - hmmmmmmmm - - - - 3 year old instruction list as
>>> the most up to date - - - - hmmmmmmmmmmmm - - - - working system - - - -
>>> not at all.
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>>> Somehow I will disagree that LedgerSMB is easy to install. If you have
>>> done it a number of times - - - it may be. As a computer user installation
>>> requires the services of a specialist and that defeats the purpose of using
>>> OSS.
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>> On earlier occasions I kept quiet, because I didn't feel my contribution
>> on the subject would be constructive or even positive. However, this time I
>> can't suppress the urge to respond.
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>> The age of documentation doesn't really matter if there's no release
>> requiring different instructions. Apparantly, others worked off those
>> instructions just fine or knew how to get it installed with some extra
>> information from the users list. Additionally, there is a significant and
>> well supported network of people who offer professional services, including
>> installation services for very reasonable fees. Some may even charge less
>> than the cost of a copy of proprietary systems on the market (e.g.
>> Quickbooks Pro).
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>I will apologize for assuming that it wouldn't take a specialist to install.
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>In the past I received assistance from a friend who at that time had over
>20 years of perl experience and had work as a sys admin for a number of
>years and he also couldn't get Ledger SMB to run. His comment was something
>like incomplete instructions.
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>This last time I started the process of installing to a virtual machine
>using assistance. That assistance dried up with no reasons given.
>The second option was to hire someone on this list whose minimum charge was
>$500. So $500 USD is considered a reasonable charge to install software.
>Taking something like maybe an hour I was told.
>Sorry for a small business $500 is NOT 'very reasonable fees'.
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>> If you really think (F)OSS software can be managed without specialist
>> knowledge, you're wrong. Some of the most complex software is developed as
>> OSS. LedgerSMB, being an ERP (not just an accounting system), is among
>> those complex systems. As Istvan pointed out, lots of things can go wrong
>> if a system isn't managed with the right knowledge. Just being able to set
>> up LedgerSMB isn't enough to safely manage your business's data.
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>Sort of interesting that I have been able to run things for as long as I
>have and not had issues.
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>> Also, just bitching around on the users mailing list and then on the
>> development mailing list isn't going to improve the situation. Frankly,
>> from what I read, you were mainly showing your own incompetence to set up a
>> working Linux machine, failing to select the right software to install --
>> not even getting to the point where you could start to install LedgerSMB,
>> even though numerous people stepped up to help.
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>Again - - - I understand that this list does not want to be disturbed. I
>get that loud and clear, REALLY LOUD AND CLEAR.
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>So - - - for the next dumb sap who tries to install - - - - what are they
>to do?
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>Which tower are they to genuflect to so that they can get answers when the
>install doesn't go as is indicated in the instructions?
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>Please indicate! (This won't be for me. I can't afford to use software like
>this!)
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>Which numerous people stepped up to help?
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>What - - 2/3 people asked questions and I was told to be patient that there
>would be answers - - - - sorry if that's your definition of assistance you
>won't be assisting me at any time.
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>>> As my business does not need multi-user capabilities I will change to
>>> lurker mode and check back in about 4 to 5 years from now and see if the
>>> installation complexities have been changed. I just can't afford to have my
>>> financial data held hostage by outside companies.
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>> I'm affraid waiting 4 or 5 years won't help. Installation and especially
>> management of a LedgerSMB software install will get easier, but won't get
>> to the levels where it's end-user-level point-and-click install and
>> management -- the level that you seem to be looking for. The software is
>> simply too complex. If you want something point-and-click, I suggest you
>> try something else. Maybe osFinancials (
>> http://www.osfinancials.org/indexold.php/en/) can offer what you're
>> looking for. If osFinancials doesn't work for you, maybe GnuCash (
>> http://www.gnucash.org/) can. The latter is definitely more aimed at the
>> consumer level than LedgerSMB; a friend of mine uses the former.
>>
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>> I hope you do find what you're looking for somewhere. I really do. It
>> won't be here. I'm sorry.
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>I will find something! Why - - - because there are millions of other people
>out there like me and someone somewhere will someday realize that that
>group would find something that isn't going to cost serious dollars to
>install attractive and useful.
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>This elitist thinking is what's killing OSS - - - if you can't make the
>directions clear enough and straightforward enough for a steady 12 year old
>to understand well you don't have good business software.
>If you think I'm a moron for stating it this bluntly observe very carefully
>when you visit the next 20 offices you have occasion to attend. You will
>find that in none of those (and likely the next 9979 out 10000) a person
>who could sit down and install LedgerSMB using the instructions provided
>today. Yet its likely that at least 5000 if not 7500 of those same offices
>could use LedgerSMB.
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>So why are you as a group so dead set AGAINST making this easy to install?
>(Absolutely not referring to point and click instead referring to an
>instruction set that actually refers to something somewhat current (not
>like the instructions for an install about 18 months old - - - any yes I
>just checked!)) and work.
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>The attitude that is being displayed on this list is why Linux isn't taking
>off in the first world. It won't either - - - because business people don't
>have time for 'attitude' from IT departments nor individuals - - - we just
>need to get the job done and when it doesn't get done that particular issue
>is fixed.
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>Good luck in attracting users!!
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