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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Brizzle (Richard Walker)
2. Re: Brizzle (Tim Leslie)
3. Re: Brizzle (David Woolmer)
4. Re: Brizzle (Richard Walker)
5. Re: Brizzle (Wayne)
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 13:10:13 +0000 (GMT)
From: Richard Walker <[email protected]>
To: David Woolmer <[email protected]>, [email protected]
Subject: Re: [LU] Brizzle
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
I love the stick , isn't what this list is all about ? I try to get
the Becchio
fans out of the woodwork but it's sometimes difficult. Nobody I
speak to rates
him, I know a few on here believes he does a job but everyone can
see his
obvious limitations, so I was hoping to get someone to defend him
big time but
all I get is a few lurkers who come out with "Eat it Richard"
comments. Why
not?tell me why I'm wrong and why Becchio is the future. That would
be better.
Reading the YEP today I see Becchio wants to?spearhead us into the
Premiership
and that he is considering signing his contract because that's?where
he wants to
play. Delusion, complete delusion.
I didn't go to the game on Saturday which is why no match report.
What a shame I
missed?the hat-trick. Maybe it would have changed my mind, lol. ?
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 13:28:15 -0000 (GMT)
From: "Tim Leslie" <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [LU] Brizzle
Message-ID:
<[email protected]>
Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1
Talking of rating, and with January on the horizon, where do you see
us as
requiring additional people and who can we loan off to Dagenham &
Redbridge?!?!?!
For me, Schmeichel, Connolly, O'Neil and McCartney are all OK at this
level, as are Kilkenny, Howson, Snodders and Gradel, with Sam, Somma
and
Becchio all able to do a job up front, haven't seen enough of
Paynter (Or
infact McCormack) yet so can't judge. The rest I ain't too bovvered
about
to be honest! Collins needs to be farmed off Asap, Bruce is OK ish,
for
now, as a back up, Naylor's legs appear to have gone and Johnson,
Hughes,
White and Higgs are good squad players. Parker sounds like he's a
Woddgate
in the making and we might never see him again!
Another centre half and a midfielder would see us stay top half.
I love the stick , isn't what this list is all about ? I try to get
the
Becchio
fans out of the woodwork but it's sometimes difficult. Nobody I
speak to
rates
him, I know a few on here believes he does a job but everyone can
see his
obvious limitations, so I was hoping to get someone to defend him
big time
but
all I get is a few lurkers who come out with "Eat it Richard"
comments.
Why
not?tell me why I'm wrong and why Becchio is the future. That would
be
better.
Reading the YEP today I see Becchio wants to?spearhead us into the
Premiership
and that he is considering signing his contract because that's?
where he
wants to
play. Delusion, complete delusion.
I didn't go to the game on Saturday which is why no match report.
What a
shame I
missed?the hat-trick. Maybe it would have changed my mind, lol. ?
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 13:28:37 +0000
From: David Woolmer <[email protected]>
To: Richard Walker <[email protected]>
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [LU] Brizzle
Message-ID:
<[email protected]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
Ok Rich - I'll bite to defend Becchio (always easier after a hat-
trick!).
First of all - he is limited. He is not a top class player. Those are
accepted points.
But within those limitations, I think he has been a brilliant signing
for us within the limitations of what we have been as a club for the
last 3 years.
When he is at his best, he plays with an awareness of his limitations
and does what he knows he can do well (be a physical nuisance, win
free kicks and get on the end of the stuff in the box) in a way that
is reminiscent of a poor man's Chapman.
He is clearly a hard worker and is also someone who has improved his
game - see how well he put away those 2 headers, perfectly placed.
Plus the technique of his Boro goal suggests a man who works at his
game.
He is clearly liked by his manager too - he goes out there, gets
battered around does a job and whilst he may moan at refs, doesn't go
hiding even when he is geting nothing out of a duel with a centre
back.
Set against that - his touch is not great and thus balls played up to
him can easily just ping off him to an opponent. The old "second touch
is a tackle" syndrome. He can also get fixated in matches about
winning free kicks and gets a persecution complex that the ref is
against him so spends much of a match collapsing with arms waving to
try and win free kicks.
He can also bring out the worst in our defence and midfield - i.e.
they see Becchio up there and so take the easy option of lumping it at
him and holding back our progress as a footballing team. He can also
be too slow at times to get into the six yard box when we are
attacking - though that criticism needs to be weighed against the
amount of work and effort he gets through especially as a lone striker
-you can't be everywhere.
But given he cost us tuppence and came to us when we were in League 1,
I think he has done a cracking job for us.
As for the contract goings-on - he's well worth retaining (and he is
generally well regarded in football now - he's always well spoken of
by other managers and puindits - so he'll have a resale value unlike
Kandol type situations, as long as we don't given him a wage that
scares others off him). There's limitations to that of course - he
doesn't merit breaking wage caps for and if by some miracle we
stumbled up through the play offs he would become very peripheral very
quickly.
He expresses ambition to play in the Prem - good on the lad. Great to
see him driven and ambitious to get there with Leeds. Maybe he is
deluded. Or maybe he is actually aware of his limitations but is
dreaming of making it through force of effort and determination.
Either way, if that's his aim, Leeds benefit from it.
So a thumbs up from me - he may not be the long term future either of
us wants for a progressive footballing Leeds team. But he works damn
hard and give a lot whilst taking little out.
On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 1:10 PM, Richard Walker <[email protected]
> wrote:
I love the stick , isn't what this list is all about ? I try to get
the Becchio
fans out of the woodwork but it's sometimes difficult. Nobody I
speak to rates
him, I know a few on here believes he does a job but everyone can
see his
obvious limitations, so I was hoping to get someone to defend him
big time but
all I get is a few lurkers who come out with "Eat it Richard"
comments. Why
not?tell me why I'm wrong and why Becchio is the future. That would
be better.
Reading the YEP today I see Becchio wants to?spearhead us into the
Premiership
and that he is considering signing his contract because that's?
where he wants to
play. Delusion, complete delusion.
I didn't go to the game on Saturday which is why no match report.
What a shame I
missed?the hat-trick. Maybe it would have changed my mind, lol.
------------------------------
Message: 4
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 13:42:23 +0000 (GMT)
From: Richard Walker <[email protected]>
To: David Woolmer <[email protected]>
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [LU] Brizzle
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
that's better. One question though - why did Grayson drop him on
Saturday after
arguably our best run of the season ? Does he rate him that highly ?
Not so sure
mysen.
?
----- Original Message ----
From: David Woolmer <[email protected]>
To: Richard Walker <[email protected]>
Cc: [email protected]
Sent: Mon, 15 November, 2010 13:28:37
Subject: Re: [LU] Brizzle
Ok Rich - I'll bite to defend Becchio (always easier after a hat-
trick!).
First of all - he is limited. He is not a top class player. Those are
accepted points.
But within those limitations, I think he has been a brilliant signing
for us within the limitations of what we have been as a club for the
last 3 years.
When he is at his best, he plays with an awareness of his limitations
and does what he knows he can do well (be a physical nuisance, win
free kicks and get on the end of the stuff in the box) in a way that
is reminiscent of a poor man's Chapman.
He is clearly a hard worker and is also someone who has improved his
game - see how well he put away those 2 headers, perfectly placed.
Plus the technique of his Boro goal suggests a man who works at his
game.
He is clearly liked by his manager too - he goes out there, gets
battered around does a job and whilst he may moan at refs, doesn't go
hiding even when he is geting nothing out of a duel with a centre
back.
Set against that - his touch is not great and thus balls played up to
him can easily just ping off him to an opponent. The old "second touch
is a tackle" syndrome. He can also get fixated in matches about
winning free kicks and gets a persecution complex that the ref is
against him so spends much of a match collapsing with arms waving to
try and win free kicks.
He can also bring out the worst in our defence and midfield - i.e.
they see Becchio up there and so take the easy option of lumping it at
him and holding back our progress as a footballing team.? He can also
be too slow at times to get into the six yard box when we are
attacking - though that criticism needs to be weighed against the
amount of work and effort he gets through especially as a lone striker
-you can't be everywhere.
But given he cost us tuppence and came to us when we were in League 1,
I think he has done a cracking job for us.
As for the contract goings-on? - he's well worth retaining (and he is
generally well regarded in football now - he's always well spoken of
by other managers and puindits - so he'll have a resale value unlike
Kandol type situations, as long as we don't given him a wage that
scares others off him). There's limitations to that of course - he
doesn't merit breaking wage caps for and if by some miracle we
stumbled up through the play offs he would become very peripheral very
quickly.
He expresses ambition to play in the Prem - good on the lad. Great to
see him driven and ambitious to get there with Leeds. Maybe he is
deluded. Or maybe he is actually aware of his limitations but is
dreaming of making it through force of effort and determination.
Either way, if that's his aim, Leeds benefit from it.
So a thumbs up from me - he may not be the long term future either of
us wants for a progressive footballing Leeds team. But he works damn
hard and give a lot whilst taking little out.
On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 1:10 PM, Richard Walker <[email protected]
> wrote:
I love the stick , isn't what this list is all about ? I try to get
the
Becchio
fans out of the woodwork but it's sometimes difficult. Nobody I
speak to rates
him, I know a few on here believes he does a job but everyone can
see his
obvious limitations, so I was hoping to get someone to defend him
big time but
all I get is a few lurkers who come out with "Eat it Richard"
comments. Why
not?tell me why I'm wrong and why Becchio is the future. That would
be better.
Reading the YEP today I see Becchio wants to?spearhead us into the
Premiership
and that he is considering signing his contract because that's?
where he wants
to
play. Delusion, complete delusion.
I didn't go to the game on Saturday which is why no match report.
What a shame
I
missed?the hat-trick. Maybe it would have changed my mind, lol.
------------------------------
Message: 5
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 14:01:09 +0000
From: Wayne <[email protected]>
To: Richard Walker <[email protected]>, David Woolmer
<[email protected]>
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [LU] Brizzle
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Grayson said he wanted to give becchio a rest as he had been
battered and bruised in the last few games, I think it bares
testament to how highly Grayson thinks of him, that he didnt wait
till the 89th minute before bringing him on.
Wayne
"Richard Walker" <[email protected]> wrote:
that's better. One question though - why did Grayson drop him on
Saturday after
arguably our best run of the season ? Does he rate him that highly ?
Not so sure
mysen.
?
----- Original Message ----
From: David Woolmer <[email protected]>
To: Richard Walker <[email protected]>
Cc: [email protected]
Sent: Mon, 15 November, 2010 13:28:37
Subject: Re: [LU] Brizzle
Ok Rich - I'll bite to defend Becchio (always easier after a
hat-trick!).
First of all - he is limited. He is not a top class player. Those are
accepted points.
But within those limitations, I think he has been a brilliant signing
for us within the limitations of what we have been as a club for the
last 3 years.
When he is at his best, he plays with an awareness of his limitations
and does what he knows he can do well (be a physical nuisance, win
free kicks and get on the end of the stuff in the box) in a way that
is reminiscent of a poor man's Chapman.
He is clearly a hard worker and is also someone who has improved his
game - see how well he put away those 2 headers, perfectly placed.
Plus the technique of his Boro goal suggests a man who works at his
game.
He is clearly liked by his manager too - he goes out there, gets
battered around does a job and whilst he may moan at refs, doesn't go
hiding even when he is geting nothing out of a duel with a centre
back.
Set against that - his touch is not great and thus balls played up to
him can easily just ping off him to an opponent. The old "second
touch
is a tackle" syndrome. He can also get fixated in matches about
winning free kicks and gets a persecution complex that the ref is
against him so spends much of a match collapsing with arms waving to
try and win free kicks.
He can also bring out the worst in our defence and midfield - i.e.
they see Becchio up there and so take the easy option of lumping it
at
him and holding back our progress as a footballing team.? He can also
be too slow at times to get into the six yard box when we are
attacking - though that criticism needs to be weighed against the
amount of work and effort he gets through especially as a lone
striker
-you can't be everywhere.
But given he cost us tuppence and came to us when we were in League
1,
I think he has done a cracking job for us.
As for the contract goings-on? - he's well worth retaining (and he is
generally well regarded in football now - he's always well spoken of
by other managers and puindits - so he'll have a resale value unlike
Kandol type situations, as long as we don't given him a wage that
scares others off him). There's limitations to that of course - he
doesn't merit breaking wage caps for and if by some miracle we
stumbled up through the play offs he would become very peripheral
very
quickly.
He expresses ambition to play in the Prem - good on the lad. Great to
see him driven and ambitious to get there with Leeds. Maybe he is
deluded. Or maybe he is actually aware of his limitations but is
dreaming of making it through force of effort and determination.
Either way, if that's his aim, Leeds benefit from it.
So a thumbs up from me - he may not be the long term future either of
us wants for a progressive footballing Leeds team. But he works damn
hard and give a lot whilst taking little out.
On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 1:10 PM, Richard Walker
<[email protected]> wrote:
I love the stick , isn't what this list is all about ? I try to get
the
Becchio
fans out of the woodwork but it's sometimes difficult. Nobody I
speak
to rates
him, I know a few on here believes he does a job but everyone can
see
his
obvious limitations, so I was hoping to get someone to defend him
big
time but
all I get is a few lurkers who come out with "Eat it Richard"
comments. Why
not?tell me why I'm wrong and why Becchio is the future. That would
be better.
Reading the YEP today I see Becchio wants to?spearhead us into the
Premiership
and that he is considering signing his contract because that's?where
he wants
to
play. Delusion, complete delusion.
I didn't go to the game on Saturday which is why no match report.
What a shame
I
missed?the hat-trick. Maybe it would have changed my mind, lol.
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