First I would refer you back to my comment re Thatcher (or Bob Stokoe for that matter) dying.
Second, there is a big difference between making a joke about wife beating, and thinking wife beating is funny. Sure, there may be people in the audience (this list) who may have personal experience of a jokes subject matter, and for whom a joke may hit a raw nerve, and this is certainly something the joker needs to consider. Having said that, I think this is a predominantly male domain and therefore wouldnt have thought there were any victims of wife abuse on the list, so wouldnt have expected that joke to hit a raw nerve with anyone. I also have to say that I didnt find the joke particularly funny, but I feel compelled to stand up for the right of anyone to tell a joke about any subject, as long as they dont purposely try to offend anyone in the audience. If they inadvertantly offend someone, fair enough, they can apologise and move on, but I dont think Mike could in anyway be called "inappropriate" and I will say again that the only reason Rob made the comment was because he was admonished previously for sniping at Mike, if anyone else had said that he wouldnt have commented, never mind called it inappropriate. Think of it like someone claiming for a dubious pen after they feel aggrieved at a pen decision going against them. My comments about audience sensitivity above notwithstanding, I feel there should be no taboo subjects about making jokes. not that I would make a joke about domestic violence to a wide audience myself but each to their own. On 24 January 2011 12:19, Chris Briggs <[email protected]> wrote: > > It is entirely dependent upon the context of the situation. A child > watching itchy and scratchy hit each other with weapons is different from > witnessing their parents doing the same in terms of emotions, consequences, > etc. > > Domestic Violence in all contexts is a dodgy subject for comedy, it > currently affects 1 in 4 women, either directly or as support for a friend > or family member (I have no stats for men). In some cases this could be an > isolated incident or prolonged and systematic abuse over a number of years. > > Did I find Mike's joke offensive? A little, the response also infers > differentiation, it suggests that it is ok to beat some people up. > > Now before I get accused of lacking a sense of humour I see DV cases in > court regularly. I see the photos of bruises, cuts, cig to genitals and hear > first hand accounts of situations that quite frankly have no place in the > civilised world. Trust me in this context wife beating is no laughing > matter. > Just for the record, men are victims too, very rarely do men seek help via > the criminal justice system and women can be equally vicious. > > Cheers > > Chris > ________________________ > > On 2011-01-24 11:09:32 GMT humphries mark <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > But is joking about violence inappropriate? > > > > Itchy & Scratchy inappropriate? Andy Capp? > > > > We should be able to make jokes about and laugh at ANY subject, as long > as > > we aren't trying to deliberately upset someone else, in which case it is > a > > judgement call for you personally whether you want to offend or risk > > offence. > > > > Rob wasn't complaining because he thought it was actually inappropriate > (I > > don't recall him jumping in when we have the "Is Thatcher dead yet?" > > comments), he was complaining because he was asked not to make personal > > jibes at Mike. Mike's joke wasn't aimed directly at Rob, or indeed > anyone, > > and the only way Rob could have genuinely found it upsetting or offensive > is > > if he is actually now a married woman who is or was beaten. Even then it > > isn't the same unless Rob is suggesting that Mike knew that and it was a > > direct dig at him. > > > > I agree with Betty, the sooner those 2 get pissed together the better. > > > > > > > > > > On 24 January 2011 08:31, Eric B <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> Hi Damian, > >> > >> You re right. Im not. > >> > >> Eric > >> > >> On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 7:05 PM, Damian Walsh <[email protected] > >>> wrote: > >> > >>> Eric - you're surely not suggesting that two wrongs make a right are > you? > >>> Any and all violence is "inappropriate", as is glorifying it, > encouraging > >>> it > >>> and/ or condoning it. > >>> > >>> Damian WHHRUHA > >>> > >>> On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 7:44 AM, eric Barlier <[email protected]> > wrote: > >>> > > >>> > if you are serious about this subject know that heaps of guys get > >> beaten > >>> up > >>> > by their wives. more than we think. > >>> > > >>> > > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Leedslist mailing list > >>> Info and options: > >>> http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist > >>> To unsubscribe, email [email protected] > >>> > >>> MARCHING ON TOGETHER > >>> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Leedslist mailing list > >> Info and options: > >> http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist > >> To unsubscribe, email [email protected] > >> > >> MARCHING ON TOGETHER > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > Leedslist mailing list > > Info and options: > > http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist > > To unsubscribe, email [email protected] > > > > MARCHING ON TOGETHER > > > > _______________________________________________ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email [email protected] MARCHING ON TOGETHER
