If you were the organisation that owned the training ground and stadium,  what 
profit have you made so far on your investment?

Has anyone worked it out yet?


Steve.

On 14 Sep 2012, at 18:58, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote:

> How much money has Bates personally taken out of the club? Do you  know?
> 
> Boxes bring in good revenue. The ground is being refurbed with borrowed  
> money - money that could not be borrowed to spend on players. 
> 
> Can't argue with the litigation - but even if you halved that, it'd not  
> make that big a difference.
> 
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
> In a message dated 14/09/2012 18:52:24 GMT Daylight Time, [email protected]  
> writes:
> 
> 
> Maybe only 3% return cos he spent all the money on litigation,  boxes and 
> lining his own pockets?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ____________________________________
> From: "[email protected]"  <[email protected]>
> To:  [email protected]; [email protected] 
> Cc: [email protected] 
> Sent: Friday, September 14, 2012 1:50  PM
> Subject: Re: [LU] Spending  on players
> 
> 
> Goodness me, common sense on the  list!
> 
> The numbers seem to add up, given the constraints of having Bates  in  
> charge. 50% of t/o on player wages, yet only 3% return. LUST  proposes 
> upping  
> spending to 60% - which would push us into  losses.
> 
> Not seeing any practical ways to improve things here.  Interesting to note  
> that Southampton, Norwich etc have used  Ridsdalenomics to get out of the  
> championship - 90-100% of t/o on  wages. Such is the benefit of an owner  
> with 
> deep pockets - ie NOT  Ken Bates.
> 
> Roll on next week.
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
> In a message dated  14/09/2012 17:14:39 GMT Daylight Time,  
> [email protected]_ (mailto:[email protected])   writes:
> 
> That's  the irony. Thrift is in every Leeds fan's blood,  but they want 
> their
> club  to behave in direct opposition to their own  instincts -- and this  is
> despite us still suffering from the legacy  of the last chairman who  did
> exactly  that.
> 
> 
> Nigel.
> 
> 
> 
> On 14 September 2012  11:58, dave  walmsley 
> <[email protected]_ (mailto:[email protected]) >wrote:
> 
>> One  of the problems with the LUST statement about spending more on  the
>> team, is that it is easier said than done. It's not like  a  
> manufacturing
>> company buying new machinery to increase   productivity.
>> 
>> If I owned the club, (I wish!),  I  would  spend very conservatively on 
> the
>> team, hoping that I had a  manager  that could first prove to me he spends
>> very well. Even  then, I'd only  let him spend well within certain limits.
>> Other  people may take more  risk, and may achieve success more quickly 
> as  
> a
>> result (or get into  difficulty quicker).
>> 
>> Prior to the banking crisis, the HSBC  board, who were bankers born  and
>> bred, were often criticised for their  very cautious approach  by analysts
>> and shareholders. Whereas other  banks, who  subsequently needed massive
>> bailouts!, were run by people  with  little actual banking experience.
>> 
>> Has the analyst who  has  "looked over" the accounts actually got any
>> experience of  running a  football club, or even working within football 
> for
>> a significant  time?
>> 
>> This really is irrespective of  whether Ken Bates is the  owner or not. 
> The
>> bottom line, though,  is that a cautious approach to  spending on players
>> cannot be  easily criticised.
>> 
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