Weird! I agree with both of those emails except the Vietnam Indonesia but as they are rapidly developing counties and as such things are developing on a daily basis there and getting better. Low skilled employment is plentiful and by historic standards is quite well paid! Totally different to us in the 80s hence no need for trade unions. Indonesia will have 150m "middle class" people in 18 months.-1
Sent from my iPhone On 8 Apr 2013, at 23:42, Robert Woodmansey <[email protected]> wrote: > Joe > > I went to Donny Grammar myself and played Yorkshire League cricket at > Goldthorpe welfare. > Trade Unionism was the creator of its own demise. good riddance. > Where maggie did get it wrong….there was no plan B. The free market was going > to take over in the traditional industrial towns and everyone was going to > work > in a call centre, a bank or some other industry that produces nowt. > > There was a vacuum created by the loss of major employers. No doubt. > Coal is making a return 150,000 tonnes at hatfield last month and rising, but > deep mines were losing money hand over fist, they had to close, some will > reopen. > > Shame about the lack of plan B but crushing scargill and trade unionism, had > to be done. They don't have too many unions in China, Vietnam and Indonesia > you know > > > > On 8 Apr 2013, at 22:43, Joe Skinner wrote: > >> I know what you're saying Rob but I'm from Doncaster - as are other listers. >> >> I went to school in Goldthorpe, where >80% of kids' Dads were miners working >> at Goldthorpe, Hickleton and other pits in Bolton and further towards >> Barnsley etc. They all lost their jobs over time. >> >> I lived and went to secondary school where there were loads of pits, past >> tense, I worked at a few in South, North Yorkshire and Beyond - Selby, >> Coventry, Welbeck, Warsop, Scotland, Wales - it's not just the Miners, >> Electricians, Winder Drivers, Bath Men and even Deputies etc. It's Normal >> jobs, secretaries, canteen women, cleaners, shops selling sarnies. all the >> secondary & tertiary businesses - all the companies we did business with. >> >> I worked at these places and saw them closed, leaving places like Harworth >> ghost towns. Not much good it did them being scabs, was it? >> >> There's still coal there, yes it's dangerous and costly but was it any >> better getting it from abroad? >> >> From: [email protected] >> Subject: Miners in west Yorkshire >> Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 20:55:27 +0100 >> CC: [email protected] >> To: [email protected] >> >> If we were discussing Barnsley, Doncaster or even some of the North Notts >> clubs I would have let this go >> There were a few coal mines around garforth, "The isabella" and "The >> Trenchpit" but these were closed long before Maggie. >> >> You se the evil that was trade unionism had already gotten a hold, rendering >> such ventures uneconomic, that said most f the moves were for fireclay >> or iron ore, not coal. >> >> Im sure one then Militant tendency in residence would not have wanted to >> obfuscate the truth about 'Mining in Leeds" >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Message: 8 >> Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 18:10:52 +0000 >> From: Joe Skinner <[email protected]> >> To: Steve Gillen <[email protected]>, "[email protected]" >> <[email protected]>, 'Errand Fivefold' >> <[email protected]> >> Cc: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [LU] Is Thatcher Dead Yet?? >> Message-ID: <[email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> Even putting aside my own viewpoint, can you not see that she is (still) >> someone who massively polarises about 99% of the population? >> >> Factor in it being a Leeds List where people may have gone to school with >> kids whose Dads were Miners, for example? >> >> Her dying is probably the only 'fuck you' most people will ever get back >> over that era. > > _______________________________________________ > Leedslist mailing list > Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist > To unsubscribe, email [email protected] > > MARCHING ON TOGETHER _______________________________________________ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email [email protected] MARCHING ON TOGETHER
