Trust us to her bought out by Arabs and then get fcuking relegated. It would totally be out style.
Sent from my iPhone On 10 Apr 2013, at 16:45, "Tim Leslie" <[email protected]> wrote: > Actually. Fcuk it, who cares what everyone thinks? If you've a foot in either > camp you ain't gonna change, do why bother. > In the cold light of it all I couldn't care less either way, FAR more > importantly: > Sheff Wed went above us in the table last night and have hit form ahead of > Saturday. AND. > Barnsley snook a point at Cardiff. > > We. Are. In. Trouble. > > On 9 Apr 2013, at 14:53, Ian Murray <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Well said mate. Totally agreed. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On 9 Apr 2013, at 21:12, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Fairly obvious that a figure like Thatcher was going to produce divergent >>> views >>> and that is what you get in a democracy and I'm good with that, but I'm not >>> prepared to take socio-historical/socio-political lessons about what it has >>> been >>> like in this country under this woman and her legacy from an ex-pat, of >>> what...40 or 50 years, or from someone whose racist views have seen him >>> kicked-off this list twice that I can remember. >>> >>> I grew up in Wakefield in the 80's and saw the effect on the kids and >>> families >>> around me, it was disastrous and it was deliberate. Unemployment soared and >>> all >>> the attendant social problems followed. >>> >>> Some of the major problems we face today are directly traceable back to her >>> government - can't get a place on a housing list? You can thank Thatcher's >>> sell >>> off of the council housing stock and not rebuilding behind that - of course >>> it >>> is easier to blame immigrants. Can't get decent contract of work (with >>> defined >>> hours, rather than "zero hours", with proper rates of pay etc) thank the >>> government that took on and weakened trade unions, removed legislation to >>> assist >>> the individual worker and protect them against the whims of bosses, whilst >>> simultaneously freeing business owners from their obligations to the >>> workers and >>> communities they are situated in (if you don't like it I'll take my >>> business to >>> China where I can employ people for one tenth of what I should pay here, and >>> they'll work longer and in worse conditions, but hey that's capitalism for >>> you!); we hear that one of the problems that is holding back our current >>> recovery is the lack of any manufacturing in our economy...well who got rid >>> of >>> that then? Apparently it was a "price worth paying"; and of course she was >>> party >>> to the so-called big bang in the banking industry, the de-regualtion of >>> which >>> laid the groundwork for the 2008 collapse and which also sowed the seeds of >>> the >>> "grasp all I can" society - in fact there was "no such thing as society" - a >>> mentality that leaves us with the some of the worst venal aspects of Britain >>> today. >>> >>> I've just heard some ridiculous woman on the radio arguing that she "opened >>> up >>> democracy in this country by making many millions more shareholders" - >>> arrant >>> nonsense, we owned the chuffing things in the first place and shareholding >>> does >>> not equal democracy. The selling off of many state industries...because the >>> market will ensure that the buyer gets the best deal possible. Not really >>> worked >>> out like that has it, but then it was never meant to. The buyer gets >>> shafted as >>> the prices soar again and again, bearing no relation to the rate of >>> inflation >>> nor to the actual quality of the service that is provided. Buyers are >>> trapped in >>> an effective cartel of a few big businesses that co-exist reasonably happily >>> living off their share of the fat...pensioners and the poor have to chose >>> between heating and food. >>> >>> ...and Labour's shameful failure to put some of this right, is not something >>> that I support. >>> >>> Something historical that cannot be denied is the fact of her being the >>> first >>> woman prime minister which is an admirable achievement. She did little for >>> other >>> women but, in fairness she never set herself as a champion for women. She >>> claimed to be a self-made woman; well I know plenty of talented women who >>> could >>> do a whole lot more with their talents if only they'd had the foresight to >>> marry >>> a millionaire businessman. >>> >>> One final personal point, I'm an active trade unionist and I am surrounded >>> by >>> hard-working fellow trade unionists and I utterly refute the one-eyed >>> anti-trade >>> union nonsense written on here in the last couple of days. >>> >>> I do understand those who say that they don't wish to celebrate the death >>> of any >>> human, and in most cases I would agree with that view - but in this case, >>> fuck >>> that, she did more damage to more people's lives and deserves little but our >>> scorn. And it will be interesting to see what reaction comes forth from all >>> those lifting their skirts in horror at some of the reactions to Thatcher's >>> demise when Mandela dies, sometime soon, as seems likely. >>> >>> Below is a link to a blog written by a former "insider" - an foreign office >>> mandarin - he reflects on the Thatcher he knew through work - the last three >>> paragraphs are particularly enlightening.<http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leedslist mailing list >>> Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist >>> To unsubscribe, email [email protected] >>> >>> MARCHING ON TOGETHER >> _______________________________________________ >> Leedslist mailing list >> Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist >> To unsubscribe, email [email protected] >> >> MARCHING ON TOGETHER >> _______________________________________________ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email [email protected] MARCHING ON TOGETHER
