I too would probably be better off keeping quiet…but I cannot help myself.
Rob, for the most part I agree with you. Mike B. really is being pretty damned hypocritical. As I recall it, the reason that the two of you are oil and water is because you said some very offensive anti-semitic stuff which you tried to pass of as anti-Israel….but which wasn’t. It was anti-semitic. So you’re right. He’s a hypocrite. And you’re the proof of that. I was pretty angry at you about it too — and believe I made that clear — but that was a long time ago and we’re good now. I’m far more offended by the Becchio obsession, frankly. On the other hand, just because I’m ok with it now doesn’t mean that Mike B. has to be. That’s up to him. But he can’t very well have a burr up his butt about you based on your old anti-semitic remarks and then take the position that racist comments are cool so long as Bellusci can play football. He can have it one way. He can have it the other way. He can’t have it both. As far as I’m concerned, there’s no room for racism in football….and shouldn’t be anywhere else. Condemning racism is not a matter of “PC.” It is addressing a very real problem that is alive, well and with us today in all its ugly, inglorious, misshapen forms. Michael A. Gardiner LAW OFFICES OF MICHAEL A. GARDINER 110 West “A” Street, Suite 950 San Diego, CA 92101 Phone: 619.238.9800 Fax: 619.814.3727 E-mail: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Confidentiality Notice: This electronic mail transmission, including any attachments, is privileged and confidential and is intended only for review by the party to whom it is addressed. It may contain attorney client or attorney work product privileged and confidential information. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail and promptly delete this e-mail, including any attachments, without reading or saving them in any manner. Unintended transmission shall not constitute waiver of the attorney-client or any other privilege. On Feb 5, 2015, at 2:25 PM, <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2015 22:22:56 +0800 From: Rob Heath <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Cc: leeds list <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Subject: Re: [LU] Bellusci charge Message-ID: <CAEFQu0=K4F3e_nnb=zfd+ssyrgu1mnwarq0eoyfps_t4eej...@mail.gmail.com<mailto:CAEFQu0=K4F3e_nnb=zfd+ssyrgu1mnwarq0eoyfps_t4eej...@mail.gmail.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I would probably be better off keeping quiet, my good doctor, because you condemn yourself with your wild ranting much more eloquently than I could ever do. However, I am a bit like Luciano Becchio...........I can't resist a 6-yard tap-in. So I will point out that there is, I believe, just a smidgeon of a contradiction in your profession of love for free speech, given that you cannot refrain from heaping totally unwarranted calumny upon me simply because I once spoke critically of Israel..............or whatever it was that I said many years ago that set you off (I can't actually remember.) May I also ask you this: you seem to be saying that it was Bellusci's right to be able to call the Ipswich player " a black twat" ( or whatever he was supposed to have said)..........so would it be an equally jolly and blameless manifestation of your precious free speech if the Ipswich player had been, say, Tal Ben Haim, and he had called him "a Jewish twat"? On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 5:25 PM, Dr Michael Benjamin <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: i can't stand the puerile twat. Why beat about the bush? But you are probably right. TBH I prefer freedom of speech no matter what. I prefer that as the lesser evil over having sanctimonious twats like Heath deciding anything. Speech is only free when people can say what you don't want to hear. The minute you curtail it no matter what the reason someone else comes along with a reason that seems fine by him. What that moron found to quote from God only knows. I have always maintained freedom of speech as an absolute. But when you have a rigid knee jerk neo-anti-Semitic take on life as that cunt has then its not important what you say. Nothing gets beyond his protocols of elder Zion mind-set cum shield. But wait a minute he only objects to Israel-- that makes it Kosher or should I say Halal ? If you talk about restraint let's see if the pithy pontificator can keep his mouth shut wrt me. I cannot wrt him. Dr Michael Benjamin, Community Psychiatrist ------------------------------- myRay: On-line Self-Help CBT http://www.myRay.com<http://www.myray.com/> http://www.myRay.org<http://www.myray.org/> ------------------------------ Mental Health: http//www.MyDoctorExplains.com<http://www.mydoctorexplains.com/> -------------------------------- Auditing || Quality Control http://www.MyDoctorExplains.com/alamo/<http://www.mydoctorexplains.com/alamo/> -------------------------------- Blog: http://www.DrMichaelBenjamin.com<http://www.drmichaelbenjamin.com/> On 5 February 2015 at 11:09, John Lee <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: I'm afraid Dr Mike, that Rob is quite correct on this occasion. You can't turn off the racist argument when it suits! For what it's worth, whilst Rob's post was clearly written in a style designed to take maximum p*ss in a parliamentary style, (and he hit the bullseye) you need to let this go. If you can't handle his posts, don't read them! I thought it was something of a masterful p*ss take - your reply is kind of nuts! Bellusci - if he's guilty I hope he won't play for Leeds again. On talent alone I don't think he's good enough anyway. And poster boy he definitely ain't, although if that's what rocks your boat :-) ------------------------------ *From:* Dr Michael Benjamin <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> *To:* Rob Heath <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> *Cc:* leeds list <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> *Sent:* Thursday, 5 February 2015, 5:13 *Subject:* Re: [LU] Bellusci charge It is indeed hard to follow. But here's why. Its because of a deep loathing of closet fascist prigs like you. I prefer the words of a wrong placed curse to the thought Police PC buggers who hi-jack causes to express their own rigid world views and intolerance. You dress all your sanctimonious claptrap in a antithesis of all that you are. In your case an intolerant knee jerk neo-anti-Semite. Which Arab state are crawling around now? How many times have you been tod DO NOT ADDRESS ME. I can't stand you, I won't leave you unanswered-- and no one on this list gives a flying fuck what you or I think. So just knock it off. Don't react to me and ~I won't react to you. It is really simple- if you could just overcome your knee jerk baiting. Count to ten, play with your jackboots, take out your collection of Hitler Youth pin ups-- do anything to distract yourself till the urge passes. Dr Michael Benjamin, Community Psychiatrist ------------------------------- myRay: On-line Self-Help CBT http://www.myRay.com<http://www.myray.com/> <http://www.myray.com/> http://www.myRay.org<http://www.myray.org/> <http://www.myray.org/> ------------------------------ Mental Health: http//www.MyDoctorExplains.com<http://www.mydoctorexplains.com/> -------------------------------- Auditing || Quality Control http://www.MyDoctorExplains.com/alamo/<http://www.mydoctorexplains.com/alamo/> <http://www.mydoctorexplains.com/alamo/> -------------------------------- Blog: http://www.DrMichaelBenjamin.com<http://www.drmichaelbenjamin.com/> <http://www.drmichaelbenjamin.com/> On 5 February 2015 at 02:08, Rob Heath <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: It is indeed odd that our esteemed colleague Dr. Benjamin, who in the past has proven himself to be so sensitive to perceived racism that he has accused listers (OK, one lister) of anti-semitism without an iota of justification, should now dismiss allegedly blatant racial abuse in such a cavalier fashion. I hope that Mike, Jeremy and Nick have not received the offlist barrage of foul abuse which the good doctor likes to inflict on his perceived critics. On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 1:30 AM, Nick <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: yeah, unsurprisingly I agree with Jeremy and Mike A - being against racism is not a crusade any more than being against anti-semitism is?there?s just right and wrong. On 4 Feb 2015, at 16:32, Jeremy Adams <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Agree with Mike A here, if he did say something racist he has no place on the team I don't care how good he is, I don't want to support him. If he was accused of anti-semitic sentiments wouldn't you be upset Dr. Mike? Best, Jeremy From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> CC: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>; [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: [LU] Bellusci charge Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2015 10:24:41 -0500 To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Err sorry Mike you're wrong. When I take my friends mixed race kids to the football I'd to enjoy an atmosphere where racist words aren't acceptable. I don't think there is anything 'PC' about that. Regards Mike A. Sent from my iPhone On 4 Feb 2015, at 10:13, Dr Michael Benjamin <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: So much cringeworthy PC garbage. Who gives a fuck one way or another he's here to play football not be a poster boy in a crusade. Dr Michael Benjamin, Community Psychiatrist ------------------------------- myRay: On-line Self-Help CBT http://www.myRay.com<http://www.myray.com/> <http://www.myray.com/> http://www.myRay.org<http://www.myray.org/> <http://www.myray.org/> ------------------------------ Mental Health: http//www.MyDoctorExplains.com<http://www.mydoctorexplains.com/> -------------------------------- Auditing || Quality Control http://www.MyDoctorExplains.com/alamo/<http://www.mydoctorexplains.com/alamo/> <http://www.mydoctorexplains.com/alamo/> -------------------------------- Blog: http://www.DrMichaelBenjamin.com<http://www.drmichaelbenjamin.com/> <http://www.drmichaelbenjamin.com/> On 4 February 2015 at 16:35, Jeremy Adams < [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: SO Bellusci's hearing is tomorrow. If he really did say something racist I say kick him out. However, being Leeds, it's hard not to feel he's going to get charged regardless of what he actually said. http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/sport/leeds-united/latest-whites-news/leeds-united-bellusci-racism-charge-to-be-heard-tomorrow-1-7087889 Jeremy _______________________________________________ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> John 'Grampa' Sykes Rest In Peace old lad 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 MARCHING ON TOGETHER _______________________________________________ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> John 'Grampa' Sykes Rest In Peace old lad 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 MARCHING ON TOGETHER _______________________________________________ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> John 'Grampa' Sykes Rest In Peace old lad 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 MARCHING ON TOGETHER _______________________________________________ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> John 'Grampa' Sykes Rest In Peace old lad 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 MARCHING ON TOGETHER _______________________________________________ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> John 'Grampa' Sykes Rest In Peace old lad 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 MARCHING ON TOGETHER _______________________________________________ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> John 'Grampa' Sykes Rest In Peace old lad 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 MARCHING ON TOGETHER _______________________________________________ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email [email protected] John 'Grampa' Sykes Rest In Peace old lad 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 MARCHING ON TOGETHER
