My point is those problems you identify had been remedied before Sky came 
along. The modernisation and positive image changes pre-date Sky. Let us not 
give credit where it is not due.

  Original Message  
From: Paul Cundell
Sent: Sunday, 20 December 2015 21:02
To: David W
Cc: Andy Clayton; Leeds List
Subject: Re: [LU] Jimmy Hill RIP

Pretty sure Valley Parade and Hillsborough were before Sky as were
Awayday Crews, definitely remember paddling through beer and piss in
the west stand in the late eighties and having a nation ashamed to be
called football supporters, surprised you don't.
Cheers
Paul

On 20 December 2015 at 20:21, <[email protected]> wrote:
> Don't remember any of those things existing in 1991 before Sky.
>
> Original Message
> From: Paul Cundell
> Sent: Sunday, 20 December 2015 20:19
> To: Andy Clayton
> Cc: Leeds List
> Subject: Re: [LU] Jimmy Hill RIP
>
> Tad confused as to what we had that was 'fucked up' by Sky to be
> honest, unsafe grounds, paddling in piss, tooled up firms, valley
> parade, hillsborough and a national game the nation was ashamed to
> admit it followed is what I remember from the dark ages.
>
> Cheers
>
> On 19 December 2015 at 14:20, Andy Clayton <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Don't get me started on Jimmy Hill. Him & sky are the ones who fucked it all 
>> up for the rest of us.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On 19 Dec 2015, at 14:10, Brendan Osborne <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>> RIP Indeed - the face of MOTD when I was growing up.
>>>
>>> Ossie
>>>
>>>> Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2015 14:08:25 +0000
>>>> From: [email protected]
>>>> To: [email protected]
>>>> Subject: [LU] Jimmy Hill RIP
>>>>
>>>> Title says it all really, Jimmy Hill is dead.Like him or hate him he 
>>>> certainly did a lot to change football , not all of it for the best but he 
>>>> certainly left his markRIP 'the Chin'
>>>> Dave
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