Local and others can be a lot lower. Key is that more people don't vote at all than the winning party gets
Sent from my iPhone > On 24 May 2017, at 16:33, Nicholas Armit <[email protected]> wrote: > > I thought general election turnouts in the UK were pretty high (60-70%)? > > > From: Matt Anderson <[email protected]> > To: Richard Naef <[email protected]> > Cc: Leeds List <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 11:29 AM > Subject: Re: [LU] : Manchester > > Agreed. Also leads to turnouts of 30-40% or less because no one can be > bothered > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On 24 May 2017, at 15:43, Richard Naef <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > That may well be the experience in your country, but it's a special case as > > the involvement of religious parties is part of the basis for your > > existence. Modern European democracies are all based on PR and better for > > it. In the UK the vast majority of people's vote are literally worth > > nothing. UKIP, greens, lib Dems got over 7 million votes between them and > > had 10 MPs. Tories got 35% of vote and pretty much complete control. > > > > Sent from my Mobile > > > > -------- Original Message -------- > > Subject: RE: [LU] : Manchester > > From: Michael Benjamin > > To: Matt Anderson ,Richard Naef > > CC: Leeds List > > > > Ridiculous---You can never appreciate ridiculous till you live under > > proportional representation. It promotes militants loons. In Israel the > > 10-15% penguins are 'driven by' a third motivated ones. They then hold the > > balance of power. You do not get diversity you get lunacy. No one looks to > > represent the middle of the road majority. It is too complex; so you get > > uni-issue agitators to their own minority and don't give a toss about > > anyone else. In a two tier system [like Commons and Lords] pay lip service > > to some proportionality. > > In first past the post you have one man answering his constituency. With PP > > you have lists who are responsible to a diffuse electorate. > > > > Michael > > > > > > Dr Michael Benjamin, > > Community Psychiatrist. > > > > SKYPE: BEDENOGA > > PHONE: +972-505-317772 > > BLOG: Times Of Israel ||Quora ||Jerusalem Post > > AMAZON AUTHORS PAGE; > > myRay: Online CBT > > > > |-----Original Message----- > > |From: Leedslist [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Matt > > |Anderson > > |Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 5:05 PM > > |To: Richard Naef <[email protected]> > > |Cc: Leeds List <[email protected]> > > |Subject: Re: [LU] : Manchester > > | > > |Don't get me started on that. I'm pro PR. > > | > > |As a "red Tory" I live in a safe labour seat. I hate what Corbyn is trying > > to do. But > > |don't have any voice > > | > > |His legacy will be 10 years of unopposed Tory rule at least > > | > > |Sent from my iPhone > > | > > |> On 24 May 2017, at 14:55, Richard Naef <[email protected]> > > |wrote: > > |> > > |> I'm of the opinion if you live in a democratic society and benefit from > > that, > > |you've also got to accept responsibility for decisions made by > > democratically > > |elected politicians. > > |> > > |> Blair went to parliament, who voted by a large majority to back him. > > That's > > |how things work in a democracy, flawed tho it may be (esp with our > > ridiculous > > |voting system) > > |> > > |> ttfn > > |> > > |> Richard > > |> > > |> -----Original Message----- > > |> From: Matt Anderson [mailto:[email protected]] > > |> Sent: 24 May 2017 14:03 > > |> To: Richard Naef <[email protected]> > > |> Cc: Leeds List <[email protected]> > > |> Subject: Re: [LU] : Manchester > > |> > > |> "War is hell, don't get involved in one if you aren't ready to face the > > |consequences." > > |> > > |> Exactly! However that choice to get into a war was made for us! > > Political self > > |interest globally is to blame and our politicians were complicit but not > > in our > > |name > > |> > > |> Sent from my iPhone > > |> > > |>> On 24 May 2017, at 13:47, Richard Naef <richard@triumph- > > |computers.co.uk> wrote: > > |>> > > |>> War is hell, don't get involved in one if you aren't ready to face the > > |consequences. > > |> > > | > > |_______________________________________________ > > |Leedslist mailing list > > |Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist > > |To unsubscribe, email [email protected] > > | > > | > > |MARCHING ON TOGETHER > _______________________________________________ > Leedslist mailing list > Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist > To unsubscribe, email [email protected] > > > MARCHING ON TOGETHER > > _______________________________________________ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email [email protected] MARCHING ON TOGETHER
