I agree too - we are on a huge learning curve, a much higher proportion of
mistakes , a pass a yard out for example, are pounced on and put away than in
the championship. Missed chances are more important at this level since we are
creating fewer against better defenders. We are being beaten by the top six
teams because man for man they are better than us in every position- against
lesser sides our work rate and tactics are generally enough to earn a win. We
are doing much better than we could realistically expect and are, at worse
fighting with 4 or 5 other teams to avoid the last relegation place ( no way
back for sheff U or WBA)
The club have consistently said we are not in the market for new signings in
January unless a cheap gem falls into our lap.
Re Ben White, who was top notch for us last season, we were not missing him
when Koch was fit , and over the next 2 seasons the German centre back, and a
Spanish squad defender will be better for us than a lad still learning his
trade ( white lost his man for the first goal according to MOTD) so you can all
stop dreaming about his return
As Rob and others have said, let's enjoy the season , playing great football
with no real pressure on results ( every defeat last season was a dagger in the
heart, thiss season it is more " oh well") or enjoy it as much as you can when
not in the ground and no atmosphere when watching on TV.
A nice cup run would be fun especially since it should not affect our league
prospects, I would hate us to become a team with no ambition beyond staying up
We are a work in progress, making up for 14 years of mismanagement and 16
years out of the top flight
We have a team we can be proud of and some exciting youngsters to make our
future bright
Long live Bielsaball
Dave
On Sunday, 3 January 2021, 04:54:35 GMT, Michael Benjamin <[email protected]>
wrote:
100% Agree
This is getting distressing and happening far too often 😊
Michael
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From: Leedslist <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Robert Heath
Sent: יום א 03 ינואר 2021 01:03
To: [email protected]
Cc: leeds list [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [LU] Spurs
OK I know I'm going to be accused of arrogance again, but..........you guys
just don't get Bielsaball. The style of play he demands from his players
requires them to take huge risks with the ball every time they have it. He
understands that they won't get it right every time, he understands the danger
that they will give the ball away (sometimes in very dangerous
places..........sometimes leading to goals against us), but he believes that
the potential benefits are worth it.
What is astonishing for me is the number of times they risk so much and it
comes off............some breathtaking rat-tat-tat of one touch passes, each
one perfectly weighted and angled.
You guys can get all hot under the collar as much as you like about the CHs we
aren't going to buy and the replacements for Bamford we aren't going to
buy.............but Bielsa knows that gradually these boys are getting the hang
of this league, they're getting better by the day, and he's in it for the long
haul. The last thing he will want is to try and add a new player to the group.
An alternative analysis of this game is that the Curse of London has hit us yet
again. When we play in London, you can guarantee that if there is a foul right
on the edge of the box, it will be a pen, and if the ball is clawed back as it
crosses the line, it will be over by 1 mm. Somehow, not even Bielsa seems to be
able to find a way to overcome this problem.
On Sat, Jan 2, 2021 at 11:23 PM John Lee via Leedslist <[email protected]>
wrote:
> Unless there is some ‘bargain’ Uruguayan/Argentinian centre back under
> everyone’s radar bar Bielsa’s, I can’t see us buying anyone in the
> transfer window!
>
> We played ok in the first 30 minutes, and Spurs looked a bit surprised
> as to how full-on we were. Of course not scoring would cost us - same
> old story. Same old problem re giving the ball away - I thought Ayling
> and Rodrigo were the main culprits - they weren’t alone in doing that,
> but I’d also give Rodrigo a run out up front, mostly to stop him
> giving the ball away in our own half, or giving away stupid fouls by
> ‘tackling’ with his arms! He is bloody frustrating at times, despite
> looking like the best player we have at others!
>
> We looked weary in the middle 30 minutes too - maybe Bielsa needs to
> think about the word rotation? Rapha definitely looked off the pace,
> and Bamford and Harrison too.
>
> I wonder if we’ll play the under 23 team v Crawley? I don’t want us to
> lose to them, as we’ll never hear the end of it, but some of our first
> xi need a rest.
>
> Like Rich, I didn’t think Spurs looked anything special as a team,
> especially as they’d had a rest.
>
> Hacked of I paid £25 to BT for a monthly pass :-(
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On 2 Jan 2021, at 20:42, Alec McQueen <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > Rich
> > Absolutely agree: we need at least a couple of premier class
> > defenders,
> and preferably a hotshot striker this window... but where from (God
> Knows), who (any ideas?), do we have the money (no), and will MB want
> to try to instil his philosophy in new signings mid season (no)?
> >
> > I come back to Ben White... will Brighton still see us as
> > competitors
> given we are already 10 pts above them? Will they let him go for less
> than 40ish million? I doubt we would pay the amount they will demand.
> Alas, I just can’t see it happening despite it being our best option right
> now.
> >
> > More likely we will go buy a couple of cheap European squad type
> > players
> who won’t make a difference.
> >
> > Pessimistic? Me?
> > Cheers
> > Alec
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> >> On 3 Jan 2021, at 04:25, Richard Walker via Leedslist <
> [email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >> Another heavish defeat and another chance to see how we measure up
> against one of the most organised teams in the league. Despite getting
> hammered at Scum and losing 3-0 today I don't think we're a million
> miles away. Defence needs to be sorted and needs to be sorted in Jan.
> If Bielsa really believes he can get through this season without
> another central defender then I think that would be a bad call. Today,
> it's the same old problems - a left back who's not a left back giving
> away a needless pen (it wasn't a pen but still a terrible half
> tackle). Defending corners - there were lots of Leeds players around
> him - Philips etc but nobody got near him and as usual Meslier was
> stood on his line and didn't stand a chance. How many more times ?
> Then for their 2nd, Struijk(midfielder playing as
> defender) commits himself in midfield and as a result we're a man
> short at the back. Kane cross, Sol 2-0. Avoidable. You just can't come
> to places like this with a makeshfit defence and expect to win the
> game no matter how lively you are in attack. Let's see what happens in the
> January window.
> >> It might sound like sour grapes but I don't think Spurs are a great
> team. Yes they have some good individual players (Son in particular)
> but we were all over them in the first half. Our movement and our
> interplay was excellent and we really should have scored. For me,
> Bamford isn't the answer and that might sound stupid giving he's
> breaking all records and is just about top PL scorer. I think he's
> benefited from our great play and he's played and finished pretty well
> at times. He's scored 1 in the last 4 and that was a pen and today he
> didn't even look close. He looks a yard slower than the rest of the
> team and he never looked like he was going to get on the end of a
> cross and finish. I'd like to see Rodrigo play as number 9 with Pablo
> behind him. More creativity, more intellignet play and yes more goals.
> >> The penalty gave them confidence because there's no doubt Spurs
> >> were
> 2nd best up to that point. We started to make silly mistakes at the back.
> Ayling and Phillips giving the ball away and as soon as they got the
> 2nd it was game over. I lost count of the number of times we just
> aimlessly gave the ball away sometimes just passing in to touch. Very
> frustrating.
> >> To our credit, we made 3 subs and they all contributed to us
> continually having a go in the 2nd half. Pablo was fantastic and you
> can see he is looking fitter and battling for his place. I think he
> deserves a start. Even his passing was good.
> >> Bielsa looked more frustrated than I've seen him for a while and
> >> I'm
> not surprised. We could have got something from this game but again I
> would say to Bielsa you will get nowt against the top teams with a
> makeshift defence. Every fucker can see that !
> >> Scores:
> >> Meslier - 7. Some good saves as always and little chance with the
> goals.
> >> Dallas - 7. I thought he did well. Lost Son for the 2nd goal but
> >> not
> sure why he was last man.
> >> Allioski - 5. Started well down the left wing but when it comes to
> >> pure
> defending ... well he can't.
> >> Ayling - 7. I thought he did well first half but then things went
> downhill and he made some basic errors.
> >> Struijk - 5. Out of his depth for me. Yes he's got a nice left foot
> >> and
> he picks a pass well. But look at their 2nd goal he is on his knees
> lunging in when he really shouldn't be.
> >> Klich - 7. I thought he played pretty well and was part of most of
> >> our
> good work.
> >> Rodrigo - 6. Good first half and showed some real class but then he
> seemed to go to pieces and lost the bal far too easily for someone of
> his quality. I still would not take him off. Take Bamford off and
> shove him up front. He plasy number 9 for Spain FFS
> >> Raphinha - 5. I thought this was his poorest performance since joining.
> He wasn't awful, he just didn't get involved first half and only had
> scraps in the 2nd.
> >> Harrison - 5. Started lively but faded badly with the team Phillips
> >> - 6. I thought he battled well at times but he didn't really
> impose himself on the game. Then again, I didn't expect him to. He is
> what he is.
> >> Bamford - 3. Never looked at it for me. Never looked like scoring.
> >> Subs:
> >> Pablo - 8. I thought he made a real difference.
> >> Shackleton - 7. I thought he also did really well down the right
> >> Poveda - 5. Didn't really happen Another defeat against the big
> >> boys. Hopefully we'll learn, we'll
> invest in a central defender soon and we'll push on.
> >>
> >> Happy New Year.
> >>
> >>
> >>
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