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Canadian officials duck UN Questions

Human rights committee accused Canadians of stonewalling queries on
poverty, justice

By Aileen Mc Cabe

GENEVA- A Canadian delegation stonewalled, ducked questions and was as
unco-operative as witnesses from undeveloped countries, says the committee
examining Canada's compliance with the social, economic and cultural
covenant of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

"I say poor Canada.  Canada deserves better that this" Said committee
member Mahmund Ahmed, a retired Egyptian ambassador.

"I don't think(the delegation) is doing justice to Canada" He said.

The delegation, led by the Canadian ambassador for disarmament, Mark Moher,
and including officials from the departments of justice, immigration and
heritage, said they were being "as co-operative and forthcoming as
possible."

But after two days of questioning that ended yesterday, members of the
United Nations committee were astounded by what Mr. Ahmend called the
"stonewalling".

When asked his opinion. another committee member Arirranga Pillay, the
chief justice of the Supreme Court of Muritius, said: "I haven't been
satisfied with the answers.  There's a lot of waffling and sometimes you
get the impression that they don't want to answer.  When they are cornered
they just move on and that is it.  Maybe, they haven't done their homework
properly or they are embarrassed at answering the obvious, which is there
is a great deal of poverty in Canada and yet it is such a rich country."

Another committee member, Panama's Oscar Ceville, said the only time the
committee had encountered such unco-operative witnesses was "with some
undeveloped countries"

John Foster, a University of Saskatchewan law professor who was in Geneva
to convince the committee to question Canada on the human rights
implications of the now-defunct Multilateral Agreement on Investments, said
in a an interview that he was embarrassed by Canada's showing.

"Even thought we're fighting (the Canadian government delegation) in some
ways , there is a certain national pride in looking good". He said.

Committee chairmen, Australian history professor Philip Alston, evaluated
the Canadian performance saying: "of all the groups we've heard in the last
week (Germany, Israel and Cyprus) there is a much greater level of
generally not acknowledging any particular problems, giving answers that
could be applied to any state."

He said the committee was being fobbed-off with replies that consisted of
phrases like "this is under review", "a study is underway" and
consultations are ongoing"

It was left, he said, with a "a pile of generalities" from Canada, not
answers.

Mr. Moher was clearly furious with the criticism and refuted the claim, but
Mr. Alston was not swayed.

"Let me take up your challenge Mr. Ambassador", he drawled, and then
proceeded to list a series of questions Canada had ducked, dodged or
otherwise not answered.

The committee members had been thoroughly briefed by Canadian pressure
groups, socially active non-government organizations (NGOs) and over nine
hours of hearing they asked questions that would leave many a Canadian
cringing.

They queried the high levels of poverty across the country.  They put
specific emphasis on poverty amoung women and asked about the effect that
had on children.  They honed in on the growing instance of homelessness,
quoting lamentable facts and figures.  They poked freely at some of the
worst skeletons in Canada's closet, too, things like the conditions of
native people on and off reserves and the general levels of literacy.
 After the heavy criticism of the delegation, Mr.Moher and his team
appeared to change tactics for the last few hours of questioning.  They
moved from "generalities" to reciting just about every federal program on
the books that might possibly address the problems under the microscope.

The tactic didn't find favour.

Exasperated, French committee member Philippe Textier quipped: "From these
replies I get the impression we are being shown the woods, not the trees."

The committee is expected to release its report on how well Canada is
complying with the UN's social, economic and cultural covenant next Friday
and there is little doubt now it will be scathing.  While annoyance with
the Canadian delegation's replies may have hardened attitudes, the negative
evaluation will have more to do with the federal government's focus on
deficit-cutting since 1995 and the affect it has had on social spending.

The federal government will certainly regret the embarrassment if it
receives a failing UN grade, but the committee has no power to make it
change policy or policy direction.

Still, activists like Jacquie Ackerly, spokeswoman for the National Anti
-poverty Organization, says the report is likely to make a difference
because "it will give poor people and the NGO's that work with them
something to work with, something to use in civil society to bring our case
farther forward"

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