oh and I think Curt welded up an adapter and yes he'd have pix.

Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell


On Mon, Oct 17, 2022 at 12:06 PM <bulke...@mmnet.com.au> wrote:

> Curt can answer that one he does it all the time I don’t have a shop smith
>
> But if your shopsmith has a number 2 morse taper in its headstock
>
> Legacys drive hub will fit right in it. That’s what I do in my nova wood
> lathe
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> *From:* 'Denson Ingram' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 18 October 2022 2:59 AM
> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: ornamental milling for beginners episode 5
>
>
>
> Thank you Bill for the great info for us beginners.
>
> I’m sure this has been brought up before but how is the best way to go
> from LOM to Shopsmith lathe or vice versa. And if special made connectors
> could you send pics?
>
> Thanks
>
> Denson
>
> Sent from Denson's iPhone
>
>
>
> On Oct 17, 2022, at 7:32 AM, bulke...@mmnet.com.au wrote:
>
> 
>
> I wouldn’t say toolmaker we learnt how to silver braze tips as an
> apprentice and hand grinding tools for the metal lathe as
>
> Part of the trade.
>
> Insertable carbide tips were just becoming popular back then there were no
> where near the amount of different shapes
>
> There is now so brazed carbide was still around and in use, recycling used
> inserts wasn’t the thing much then
>
> So I could get handfuls of old used inserts which I still have all these
> years later. insert tools were expensive back then
>
> So making your own was the logical thing to do I don’t know why it hasn’t
> become popular in wood turning tools today
>
> A nice piece of high tensile steel and some old used inserts and you can
> have a $300 lathe tool it’s a no brainer really.
>
> But after saying all this I couldn’t make router bits you need specialised
> grinding and milling machines for that.
>
> Much easier just to buy them or insert router bits.
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
> *Sent:* Monday, 17 October 2022 9:41 PM
> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: ornamental milling for beginners episode 5
>
>
>
> Wow Bill, so your a tool maker too. Now I'm even more impressed. lol
>
> I agree there are plenty of imports that can be as good, if they have good
> quality control for sure.
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> 14171 160th Ave.
>
> Foreston MN 56330
>
>
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
>
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 16, 2022 at 10:48 PM <bulke...@mmnet.com.au> wrote:
>
> I do remember the silver brazed on bits I used them lots in my days in the
> metal trade
>
> And I make them still in my shop they were great when you needed a custom
> shape tool
>
> I use used blunt inserts and braze them on to a blank and they work as
> good as any insert
>
> Because they are an insert.
>
> Anyway that tool your showing here is only a 2 flute where mine is 3
>
> Because I am poor I would buy the cheaper cutter but buy the high quality
> inserts and put in it
>
> Provided they fit, easy wood lathe tool inserts fit in mine and I find
> them quite good.
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
> *Sent:* Monday, 17 October 2022 1:09 PM
> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: ornamental milling for beginners episode 5
>
>
>
> Well in my opinion and this will go back a while back on carbide.
>
> Brazed on Carbide is not usually as hard of grade, as the inserts.
>
> The insert carbide is a better bet and will out last a brazed on but
>
> at least 4 times as long on just one edge. then you have 3 more edges to
>
> change out. But you have to buy a good brand. As the china carbide is
>
> not as good as other brands.  See link:
>
>
> https://www.acmetools.com/freud-spoilboard-surfacing-rabbeting-bit-tm1465/008925135593.html
>
>
>
> Freud's bits are expensive but I tend to favor them, having most of my
> everyday router bits being freud.
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> 14171 160th Ave.
>
> Foreston MN 56330
>
>
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
>
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 16, 2022 at 8:32 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> I agree that one is not badly priced. But what I want it first hand info.
>
> Do you OR anyone in this group, think the replicable blades are as good or
> better then the normal carbide router bit? I would really like to know what
> you think?
>
>
>
> C.A.G.
>
>
>
> On Sunday, October 16, 2022 at 09:27:03 PM EDT, Tim Ziegler <
> timjzieg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
> https://www.amazon.com/Spoilboard-Router-Bit-Carbide-NITOMAK/dp/B085QGLHB4/ref=sr_1_10?crid=1Y7QN81UFU3J1&keywords=3+flute+spoilboard+planing+bit.&qid=1665969834&qu=eyJxc2MiOiIxLjI3IiwicXNhIjoiMC4wMCIsInFzcCI6IjAuMDAifQ%3D%3D&sprefix=3+flute+spoil+board+planing+bit.%2Caps%2C96&sr=8-10
>
>
>
> They are not that expensive, off brand but looks ok.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> 14171 160th Ave.
>
> Foreston MN 56330
>
>
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
>
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 16, 2022 at 7:25 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> I know a few friends who ONLY buy cutters with replacement blades for
> there CNC Machines.
>
> But do you feel that this bit worth the price you paid for it?
>
>
>
> C.A.G.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sunday, October 16, 2022 at 08:15:49 PM EDT, <bulke...@mmnet.com.au>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> https://www.carbitool.com.au/product/3-flute-surface-planer/
>
>
>
> this
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
> *Sent:* Monday, 17 October 2022 10:34 AM
> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: ornamental milling for beginners episode 5
>
>
>
> Hey Bill what you using for the planning router bit????
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> 14171 160th Ave.
>
> Foreston MN 56330
>
>
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
>
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 16, 2022 at 6:23 PM <bulke...@mmnet.com.au> wrote:
>
> Thank you
>
>
>
>
>
> Looks good
>
> On Sunday, October 16, 2022, <bulke...@mmnet.com.au> wrote:
>
> Yes it is longer than I wanted but I couldn’t shorten it much more and
> keep all the steps in
>
> For learners to follow  As it was a skipped a couple of things and just
> described what to do
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> Very nice work there Bill.
>
> The video is a bit long, but I do think you covered every step.
>
>
>
> Thank you.
>
>
>
> C.A.G.
>
>
>
>
>
> https://youtu.be/R8j8hcQg9bg
>
>
>
> ok guys here is one more ornamental milling for beginners,
>
>
>
> episode 5 this time its milling a 2 start barley and then turning it
>
>
>
> into a hollow spiral. as they get more complex they are getting harder
>
> to show and explain how to make them I’m sorry if anyone can’t understand
> or follow
>
> it I did my best, I had a few problems too one was the ½ inch spiral bit
> was almost
>
> stuffed so smoke and burnt wood was a bit of a problem also a crack opened
> up
>
> during milling but I managed to super glue it up before it got too bad and
> edit it
>
> out of the finished video. But I got there in the end
>
>
>
> Bill
>
> .
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