Hey guys I have a question for you. Bill is making videos for us newbies and in the one video he put a bit in his router and it looked like it was an extension type collet. It also looked like he just tighten up with a Allen wrench. Is this a thing and where do you get it from? Thanks Rick
On Mon, Oct 17, 2022, 10:28 PM 'Denson Ingram' via Legacy Ornamental Mills < legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> wrote: > Thanks Tim. I’ll make a list of my extra LOM items tmrw and post or let > you know. > Denson > > Sent from Denson's iPhone > > On Oct 17, 2022, at 9:08 PM, Tim Ziegler <timjzieg...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > I'll check tomorrow but I think I put most of my extra's to use for > running from one machine to the other. > > Kind Regards, > > Timothy J. Ziegler > Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty > 14171 160th Ave. > Foreston MN 56330 > > 320-294-5798 shop > 320-630-2243 cell > > > On Mon, Oct 17, 2022 at 8:37 PM 'Denson Ingram' via Legacy Ornamental > Mills <legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> wrote: > >> If anyone has an extra female dog plate I would be interested in a >> purchase or trade perhaps. I have some extra LOM parts that I would >> consider trading. >> Thanks >> Denson >> >> Sent from Denson's iPhone >> >> On Oct 17, 2022, at 7:57 PM, bulke...@mmnet.com.au wrote: >> >> >> >> Good luck with that but you never know >> >> >> >> Bill >> >> >> >> *From:* 'Denson Ingram' via Legacy Ornamental Mills < >> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> >> *Sent:* Tuesday, 18 October 2022 11:53 AM >> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com >> *Subject:* Re: ornamental milling for beginners episode 5 >> >> >> >> I have everything but the female side of LOM dog plate. I’ll call legacy >> tmrw and see if they have one they will sell me. >> >> Thanks for all the help guys. >> >> I’ll show the finish part when complete. >> >> Denson >> >> Sent from Denson's iPhone >> >> >> >> On Oct 17, 2022, at 6:18 PM, bulke...@mmnet.com.au wrote: >> >> >> >> Something like this for the polish wheel adaptor ? >> >> >> https://www.amazon.com/Spindle-Adapter-mounting-polishing-Woodworking/dp/B07RT5NG3N >> >> >> >> Bill >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com < >> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Okla Mike >> (Liltwisted) >> *Sent:* Tuesday, 18 October 2022 9:49 AM >> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com >> *Subject:* Re: ornamental milling for beginners episode 5 >> >> >> >> Here you go, I knew I wasn't going to get away with just a post. >> >> On 10/17/2022 5:21 PM, Tim Ziegler wrote: >> >> Mike can you send a pic or so of your design too? >> >> Kind Regards, >> >> >> >> Timothy J. Ziegler >> >> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty >> >> 14171 160th Ave. >> >> Foreston MN 56330 >> >> >> >> 320-294-5798 shop >> >> 320-630-2243 cell >> >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Oct 17, 2022 at 5:19 PM Okla Mike (Liltwisted) < >> legacym...@iglide.net> wrote: >> >> Shop Smith has a 5/8" smooth shaft. What I did was use the #2mt to 5/8" >> adapter SS uses to put a drill chuck into the tail stock. I installed it >> on the Legacy drive so then I could just use the SS normal drive spur on >> both machines. If you are wanting to use the drive dogs on the SS look at >> motor accessories and find a polish wheel adapter that will fit a 5/8" >> motor shaft. Then I ordered a unmounted female side dog plate from Legacy >> and welded it onto the polish wheel shaft. I trimmed off the excess shaft >> and now I was ready to set-screw it onto the SS. These two set-ups will >> allow you to use either a spur or drive dogs. >> >> Mike >> OK >> >> On 10/17/2022 10:59 AM, 'Denson Ingram' via Legacy Ornamental Mills wrote: >> >> Thank you Bill for the great info for us beginners. >> >> I’m sure this has been brought up before but how is the best way to go >> from LOM to Shopsmith lathe or vice versa. And if special made connectors >> could you send pics? >> >> Thanks >> >> Denson >> >> Sent from Denson's iPhone >> >> >> >> >> On Oct 17, 2022, at 7:32 AM, bulke...@mmnet.com.au wrote: >> >> >> >> I wouldn’t say toolmaker we learnt how to silver braze tips as an >> apprentice and hand grinding tools for the metal lathe as >> >> Part of the trade. >> >> Insertable carbide tips were just becoming popular back then there were >> no where near the amount of different shapes >> >> There is now so brazed carbide was still around and in use, recycling >> used inserts wasn’t the thing much then >> >> So I could get handfuls of old used inserts which I still have all these >> years later. insert tools were expensive back then >> >> So making your own was the logical thing to do I don’t know why it hasn’t >> become popular in wood turning tools today >> >> A nice piece of high tensile steel and some old used inserts and you can >> have a $300 lathe tool it’s a no brainer really. >> >> But after saying all this I couldn’t make router bits you need >> specialised grinding and milling machines for that. >> >> Much easier just to buy them or insert router bits. >> >> >> >> Bill >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com >> <legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> >> <legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler >> *Sent:* Monday, 17 October 2022 9:41 PM >> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com >> *Subject:* Re: ornamental milling for beginners episode 5 >> >> >> >> Wow Bill, so your a tool maker too. Now I'm even more impressed. lol >> >> I agree there are plenty of imports that can be as good, if they have >> good quality control for sure. >> >> >> Kind Regards, >> >> >> >> Timothy J. Ziegler >> >> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty >> >> 14171 160th Ave. >> >> Foreston MN 56330 >> >> >> >> 320-294-5798 shop >> >> 320-630-2243 cell >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, Oct 16, 2022 at 10:48 PM <bulke...@mmnet.com.au> wrote: >> >> I do remember the silver brazed on bits I used them lots in my days in >> the metal trade >> >> And I make them still in my shop they were great when you needed a custom >> shape tool >> >> I use used blunt inserts and braze them on to a blank and they work as >> good as any insert >> >> Because they are an insert. >> >> Anyway that tool your showing here is only a 2 flute where mine is 3 >> >> Because I am poor I would buy the cheaper cutter but buy the high quality >> inserts and put in it >> >> Provided they fit, easy wood lathe tool inserts fit in mine and I find >> them quite good. >> >> >> >> Bill >> >> >> >> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com < >> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler >> *Sent:* Monday, 17 October 2022 1:09 PM >> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com >> *Subject:* Re: ornamental milling for beginners episode 5 >> >> >> >> Well in my opinion and this will go back a while back on carbide. >> >> Brazed on Carbide is not usually as hard of grade, as the inserts. >> >> The insert carbide is a better bet and will out last a brazed on but >> >> at least 4 times as long on just one edge. then you have 3 more edges to >> >> change out. But you have to buy a good brand. As the china carbide is >> >> not as good as other brands. See link: >> >> >> https://www.acmetools.com/freud-spoilboard-surfacing-rabbeting-bit-tm1465/008925135593.html >> >> >> >> Freud's bits are expensive but I tend to favor them, having most of my >> everyday router bits being freud. >> >> >> Kind Regards, >> >> >> >> Timothy J. Ziegler >> >> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty >> >> 14171 160th Ave. >> >> Foreston MN 56330 >> >> >> >> 320-294-5798 shop >> >> 320-630-2243 cell >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, Oct 16, 2022 at 8:32 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills >> <legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> wrote: >> >> I agree that one is not badly priced. But what I want it first hand info. >> >> Do you OR anyone in this group, think the replicable blades are as good >> or better then the normal carbide router bit? I would really like to know >> what you think? >> >> >> >> C.A.G. >> >> >> >> On Sunday, October 16, 2022 at 09:27:03 PM EDT, Tim Ziegler < >> timjzieg...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> https://www.amazon.com/Spoilboard-Router-Bit-Carbide-NITOMAK/dp/B085QGLHB4/ref=sr_1_10?crid=1Y7QN81UFU3J1&keywords=3+flute+spoilboard+planing+bit.&qid=1665969834&qu=eyJxc2MiOiIxLjI3IiwicXNhIjoiMC4wMCIsInFzcCI6IjAuMDAifQ%3D%3D&sprefix=3+flute+spoil+board+planing+bit.%2Caps%2C96&sr=8-10 >> >> >> >> They are not that expensive, off brand but looks ok. >> >> Kind Regards, >> >> >> >> Timothy J. Ziegler >> >> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty >> >> 14171 160th Ave. >> >> Foreston MN 56330 >> >> >> >> 320-294-5798 shop >> >> 320-630-2243 cell >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, Oct 16, 2022 at 7:25 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills >> <legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> I know a few friends who ONLY buy cutters with replacement blades for >> there CNC Machines. >> >> But do you feel that this bit worth the price you paid for it? >> >> >> >> C.A.G. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sunday, October 16, 2022 at 08:15:49 PM EDT, <bulke...@mmnet.com.au> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> https://www.carbitool.com.au/product/3-flute-surface-planer/ >> >> >> >> this >> >> >> >> Bill >> >> >> >> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com < >> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler >> *Sent:* Monday, 17 October 2022 10:34 AM >> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com >> *Subject:* Re: ornamental milling for beginners episode 5 >> >> >> >> Hey Bill what you using for the planning router bit???? >> >> Kind Regards, >> >> >> >> Timothy J. Ziegler >> >> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty >> >> 14171 160th Ave. >> >> Foreston MN 56330 >> >> >> >> 320-294-5798 shop >> >> 320-630-2243 cell >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, Oct 16, 2022 at 6:23 PM <bulke...@mmnet.com.au> wrote: >> >> Thank you >> >> >> >> >> >> Looks good >> >> On Sunday, October 16, 2022, <bulke...@mmnet.com.au> wrote: >> >> Yes it is longer than I wanted but I couldn’t shorten it much more and >> keep all the steps in >> >> For learners to follow As it was a skipped a couple of things and just >> described what to do >> >> >> >> Bill >> >> >> >> Very nice work there Bill. >> >> The video is a bit long, but I do think you covered every step. >> >> >> >> Thank you. >> >> >> >> C.A.G. >> >> >> >> >> >> https://youtu.be/R8j8hcQg9bg >> >> >> >> ok guys here is one more ornamental milling for beginners, >> >> >> >> episode 5 this time its milling a 2 start barley and then turning it >> >> >> >> into a hollow spiral. as they get more complex they are getting harder >> >> to show and explain how to make them I’m sorry if anyone can’t understand >> or follow >> >> it I did my best, I had a few problems too one was the ½ inch spiral bit >> was almost >> >> stuffed so smoke and burnt wood was a bit of a problem also a crack >> opened up >> >> during milling but I managed to super glue it up before it got too bad >> and edit it >> >> out of the finished video. 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