Hi Janis, I just realized that your earlier e-mail slipped through the cracks from when I was behind after being away at a genealogy course for a week. It looks like Cathy and Susan gave you some good advice on this in the mean time.

I agree that Ancestry.com should be the repository in this case and that the master source should be the specific database (i.e. WWI draft cards) within Ancestry. I know that with the formatting of the output (Mills style), we treat the database like a chapter of a book and put it in italics. Then we list Ancestry.com in italics like we would a published book. However, I still create a master source for each database within Ancestry. For example, I have:

Source List Name: Military: World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918 [Ancestry.com database]

Author: [blank]

Title: "World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918," subscription database, «i»Ancestry.com«/i» [where the database is in quotes and Ancestry.com is in italics]

Publication Facts: http://www.ancestry.com

Comments (not printed, but displayed on my web site for informational purposes): National Archives and Records Administration. World War I Selective Service System Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918. M1509, 4,277 rolls. Washington, D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration.

Output of master source:
"World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918," subscription database, Ancestry.com (http://www.ancestry.com).

The only thing I can't get to format Mills style for this example is the accessed date. This is included in my citation detail rather than my master source since I access the database at different times for different people. Mills would add a colon after the website link and list the accessed date. This is the only thing that keeps this and other similar citations from being formatted like Mills shows.

I think it would be acceptable to have as detail something like:
card for Robert Lloyd Rich, from National Archives microfilm 1557024, precinct 513, Decatur, GA; accessed 24 May 2006.

Janis, I see that you sent a more recent question about formatting sources according to *Evidence*. Hopefully this example can serve as a template for several examples. I receommend buying her *QuickSheet* which addresses lots of online sources.

Legacy still has a couple of roadblocks to formatting it exactly the same way, but I am confident that the programmers will consider our requests in this important matter and make a few changes for version 7.

As always, I offer the sources on my web site as an example if you want something to go by for starters. Each person has his/her own unique needs, so I don't claim that mine will fit everyone's needs, nor are they perfect. Such is the way of genealogy!

Gail Rich Nestor
Smyrna, Georgia
www.roots2buds.net



----- Original Message ----- From: "Janis Gilmore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 12:11 AM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Confirming Proper Enter of Sources/Details


Thanks, Gail, for the helpful info on sourcing.

Are you saying that you would make World War I Draft Reg cards a Master Source? Rather than Ancestry as the Master Source, and all details in the source detail?

I have just started with Legacy, and am working my way through to establishing a sourcing system.

Thanks,
Janis Gilmore
Pawleys Island, SC & Seattle, WA

----- Original Message ----- From: "Gail Rich Nestor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 5:28 AM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Confirming Proper Enter of Sources/Details


Hi Joan, I have been out of town, but wanted to comment on your sourcing and
repository questions.  Here is part of a post that Elizabeth Shown Mills,
author of *Evidence!*, just made to the APG rootsweb list:

"Just about every database at Ancestry or wherever can be cited by one basic
format that calls for six-to-eight elements. In a footnote citation, the
elements and punctuation would be as follows:

Name of Database Creator [if identified],
"Name of Database,"
Name of Website Creator/Owner [unless it duplicates
      the name of the website, as with Ancestry],
*Name of Website* [in italics]
nature of item being cited: e.g., "database" or "digital images"
(URL : date posted, copyrighted, or accessed),
whatever detail needed to locate the specific item;
whatever source citation the database might give.

Example:
U.S. Selective Service System, "World War I Draft Registration Cards,
1917-1918," *Ancestry.com,* digital images (http://www.ancestry.com :
accessed 18 June 2006), for Carl Shown, Monroe County, Arkansas, card no.14;
citing *World War I Selective Service System Draft Registration Cards,
1917-1918,* National Archives Microfilm M1509.

Asterisks, of course, represent italics. In the example above, I am
crediting the Selective Service as the creator of the cards. If I were
citing only an Ancestry database, with no images, then the Selective Service
would not be cited as the creator of Ancestry's database."

Now back to me...
This basic template should help with your citation.  The repository
question, though, is a bit trickier (at least in my opinion). When I cite a
census from Ancestry, I list Ancestry as the repository, even though the
originals came from NARA and could be obtained from there as well. However, if I get a copy of a death certificate from "Aunt Jane," I usually go ahead and list the repository as an official place where I could get another copy.

The repository usually isn't part of your formal source citation, so in my
opinion, you have some flexibility with it.  Think of it this way, you can
usually get a book from several different libraries. You usually just pick
the one you got the book from the first time.

The NEHGS site sounds great!  Thanks for mentioning it!

Gail Rich Nestor
Smyrna, Georgia
www.roots2buds.net


----- Original Message ----- From: J S
To: [email protected]
Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 8:15 AM
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Confirming Proper Enter of Sources/Details


Ron,

Thanks for the advice, I understand what your saying about the Master Source
and will change my practice.

However, I'm still not clear about how to reference the repository.  The
original birth/marriage/death registars are created at the town level in MA
for the years 1851-1910 and then a copy was made and sent to the Boston
Archives.  Until the early 1900's this was a hand written copy.  Those
records were obtained from the Boston Archives by NEHGS, scanned, and made
available on the web site which is where I obtained them.

OK, now to my question, do I use the Boston Archives or the NEHGS web site
as the repository?

Joan



ronald ferguson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi Joan,

Your method is basically the same as the one which I use (although mine is
for the UK). A couple of points though - Including the year in the Master
Source would mean that a new Master Source would have to be created for each
census year to avoid this I put the year in the detail ie. 1887 census.

With respect to author in the UK this is always HMG (Her Majesty's
Government) which is what I use so in my view the author is the name of the
body who originated and compiled the results - I don't know who this would
be in your case. No problem with just leaving blank though.

Ron Ferguson



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From: J S
Reply-To: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: [LegacyUG] Confirming Proper Enter of Sources/Details
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 21:46:54 -0700 (PDT)

I'm new to Legacy 6 (Deluxe Edition). Can someone please help confirm the
proper way to enter sources for records that I have found at the New
England Historical Genealogical Society (NEHGS) web site. These records
are copies of the original registeres for birth /marriage/death records
(1851 - 1910) that towns/cities sent to the Boston Archives. NEHGS
obtained the records from Boston Archives and has scanned them and made
available on their web site.

Please review below the way I have entered the information and let me
know if I'm correct or give me some guidance on what is correct.

By the way if anyone needs vital records from 1851-1910 from
Massachusets the NEHGS has scanned copies on their web site. You have to
be a member but the fee is only $75 per year, much cheaper than a research
trip to Boston. This is where I have found the majority of the records I
need to input into Legacy so I want to make sure I'm doing it correctly.

Thanks so much for your assistance,

Joan

Source Lst Name (Shown in Master Source List): Births Registered in
Boston, MA for 1887 (should I use the year or not?)
Event: Register
Author: I have left blank, what should go here?
Title: Birth Record for Jane Doe

Then for the Repository I have entered:
New England Historical Genealogical Society
address and Phone #
web site URL
Call Number: I used the URL for the birth record on the NEHGS web site
QUESTION: Is the repository the NEHGS or Boston Archives?.

for the Details I entered:
City where birth occured, year, vol, pg., and line # and then check #4
Convincing Evidence,


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