Thanks Joseph, I would agree that using Calculated SHOULD inspire greater credibility, but only if how the date was calculated is included as a note. Without it, the accuracy cannot be validated. For example, my wife often makes errors when calculating anything. An unnotated calculated date that she entered would be far less credible than would be inferred by using calculated before a date. <grin> Don
> -----Original Message----- > From: JV Leavitt [mailto:jleavi...@att.net] > Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2014 2:12 PM > To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt > > Don, > > I presumed that we would all know that the source might not be > accurate, but the fact that a calculation is used to arrive at a date > does make a difference, and using the Cal term provides information > that other terms do not. > > In the following, when I say calculated date, it usually comes down to > only a calculated year. > > I sometimes have one preferred calculated date, and a couple of > alternate event records with calculated dates, and I have, and include, > a separate source citation for each one. I don't do this for calculated > dates that are only a year apart - that should go without saying. > > I should mention too, that if I find a record of an event that gives a > complete date, such as on a birth record, and it lines up properly with > one of the sources that has a calculated date, I will probably feel > better about the credibility of that source. (I know, that the birth > record could be inaccurate, but surely we are all aware of that.) > > Now, let's say I found a complete or preferred date after already > entering a calculated one in the birth data field. With Legacy8, I can > add a new Alternate Birth record, enter this preferred data and source > citation there, save it, and then use the Option to: "Swap with birth > information." Thankfully, the source citation goes with it. > > There are, evidently, those who feel that the Cal term should only be > used when a full month, day and year can be used in the calculation. I > respectfully disagree, but when I have a calculated date such as that, > it will still be entered with the term Cal preceding it -- like this, > for example: Cal 29 Jun 1889. > > I sincerely hope I am making a case for using the term Cal or > calculated when appropriate, and that the time will come that when we > see it used in online databases, that we will have a common > understanding of it's intent. > > Please, Cheryl and everyone, forgive me for seeming to make a mountain > out of this (as you say -- goose bump) issue. > > Joseph Leavitt > > > On 1/7/2014 10:17 AM, Don Hanson wrote: > > <grin> "Calculated" sounds like you are using pseudoscientific > methods to arrive at your best guess. Without documenting how that > guestimate was arrived at, it's misleading to use. Misleading, because > it would appear to be somehow "better" than est or abt, when the > reality may be that the information used in the calculation is less > than accurate. > > Don Hanson > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: grayscot2 [mailto:graysc...@gmail.com] > >> Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2014 12:16 AM > >> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com > >> Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt > >> > >> > >> That all sounds very responsible, but though our forebears > probably > >> were better at "calculating" ages for days, months and years, > without > >> computers, how accurate and conscientious were they? No doubt that > >> is allowed for in the term, calculated, but it's still our > guestimate > >> that they had the information and were rigorous in their > calculation. > >> > >>> .... > >>> Calculated - determined or ascertained by mathematical methods. > >>> Example: A Birth Date determined from a Date of Death and an Age at > >> Death >given >in years, months and days using the date calculator. > >>> .... > >>> Larry Lee > > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ > Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ > Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp > Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) > and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). > To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
