Please report this anomaly to support as a bug, which is the only way it gets in the queue to be fixed.
CE From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: Re[5]: [LegacyUG] Descendant Narrative Wording Option Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2015 19:48:48 +0000 Thanks for your helpful explanation CE but with 40 years IT experience under my belt I was well aware that an anomaly caused by a programming error is indeed called a software bug. However I have also learned over the years, that until the reason for the anomaly is 100% diagnosed as being the result of a Program feature, a user misunderstanding or error, a software bug, or any other cause, then its still just an anomaly. But that said yes it is seeming more likely as that the diagnosis and elimination of other causes proceeds that this anomaly may well be the first software bug that I've encountered in the use of the Legacy program over the years. All previous anomalies I have found came down to my lack of knowledge of options. my error, or a program feature cheers Stan ------ Original Message ------ From: "CE WOOD" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: 6/10/2015 5:48:07 a.m. Subject: RE: Re[3]: [LegacyUG] Descendant Narrative Wording Option In programming, an anomaly is called a bug. CE From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: Re[3]: [LegacyUG] Descendant Narrative Wording Option Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2015 23:48:20 +0000 Hi Mary I have just got your emails ( sent VERY early Saturday morning NZ time. ) Thanks also for your help. I will avail myself of Cathys offer to check it if I cant locate the problem today, Your email helped diagnose it though Re your paragraph 3 below (starting "to test in Legacy 8...) I have checked every action and option selected that you mention and that ties in EXACTLY with my situation Similarly your para 4 mirrors precisely my actions. BUT We have a breakthrough towards isolating the problem when it comes to mirroring your Para 5 option. If I right click on Mary then the Descendant Narrative report as you did I do get the "She" had one daughter as it should be (although I prefer the "Mary" had one daughter that Cathy gets. My problem recurs though when I right click on Marys father, grand father or do that from the reports option. Mary is about 4th generation in that report and that is where my problem occurs. That clearly demonstrates the anomaly we have where it works for the first generation but not from earlier ones. Very strange indeed. best regards Stan ------ Original Message ------ From: "Mary Fowler Leek" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: 3/10/2015 6:59:35 a.m. Subject: Re[2]: [LegacyUG] Descendant Narrative Wording Option Stan, I’ve just now tried this by setting up a test family with a single mother named ‘Mom delete’ and a child named ‘daughter delete’ and I have no problem with creating a report with the correct wording. I realize you are not getting this same result so we just have to figure out why. To test in Legacy 8, I added a mother (named: Mom delete) then right clicked on her and added a daughter (named: daughter delete). Then I went to the marriage information screen, clicked on ‘this couple did not marry’, then on the ‘wording options screen’, I used Male and Female for the labels and for the override, used ‘had a relationship with someone’. At the very bottom, under ‘Other word substitutes for this marriage: I use Spouse: Spouse Marriage: Partnership Back to the family view, I notice there is nothing showing in the Male side … where a name would be inserted, it simply indicates ‘click to add Person’. If I right click on Mom and click on unlink, I am offered the opportunity to unlink from husband, but nothing is showing for him on the family view. While in the family view, I highlight the Female Mom delete and click create Descendant Narrative report. It Reads: Descendants of Mom delete 1. Mom delete. Mom had a child. Her known child was: F i. daughter delete. Mary From: Stan [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, October 02, 2015 5:15 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re[2]: [LegacyUG] Descendant Narrative Wording Option Hi Cathy thanks for your taking time to help . I am using version 8.0.0.5.17 I have done several check/repair then list cleanup then Compact while I have had the problem. It is still there Yes I had double checked that Mary is shown as a female (as well as knowing she appears on the female side of the screen (right) and n ot the unknown (on the left). I actually tried marking her as male to see what that would do but the software would not accept that (correctly) until I deleted the marriage link As a workaround I have put an asterisk only in the overide wording for the "marriage" text. The Output then reads "* He had one daughter Jane" As I advised earlier I use a macro in word for global changes and I have added a replace that looks for this unique character string so it cant be overlooked As an aside i am surprised that your wording is Mary had one daughter and not She had one daughter. My output for a normal marriage / relationship entry is They had one daughter ot They had three children. It isnt X and Y had one daughter, I would be keen to know where the option is to change in that way. Very strange that you cant duplicate this but I REALLY appreciate ypur time trying best regards Stan Baker ------ Original Message ------ From: "Cathy Pinner" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: 2/10/2015 10:40:03 p.m. Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Descendant Narrative Wording Option Hi Stan, What version are you using? There was a bug like this a few years ago. I don't know whether it was ever fixed in Legacy 7.5. I'm getting: Mary had a child. Mary had one daughter: Jane. without using any overrides - just Legacy defaults. It might be worth doing a Check/Repair on your file and resetting the Report settings to Legacy defaults, then choose your options again and see if the problem is still there. I assume you have checked that Mary is entered as a female. However, there may be a wrong gender bug as I found one in a different scenario and am still investigating to find the criteria that produces it. Cathy Stan wrote: Almost works like a charm Catby I had been hunting for the abitity to get rid of "unknown" for the father looking in the report options. I had nt realised it was in the options /customise/3.11 The only outstanding issue following the adoption of your suggestion is in the wording regarding the child. No matter what I put as the alternative wording in the marriage report it appends "He had a daughter" instead of "They had a daughter as it does with a standard marriage or relationship. It should say either "Mary" had a daughter or "She" had a daughter but most definitely not "He" I cannot find an option to overide thisi ncorrect sentence as I can in an event or Marriage description Is this the first bug I have discovered in Legacy? Is there a solution to this? Or is it something as obvious as the solution already provided by Cathy? Thanks again for the great help proving the advantages of this group best regards Stan ------ Original Message ------ From: "Stan" <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> Sent: 1/10/2015 5:09:13 p.m. Subject: Re[2]: [LegacyUG] Descendant Narrative Wording Option Many thanks Cathy I will try it best regards Stan ------ Original Message ------ From: "Cathy Pinner" <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> Sent: 1/10/2015 5:04:03 p.m. Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Descendant Narrative Wording Option Stan, The solution is relatively easy. Don't ignore the Marriage Information screen. When someone has a child, obviously there was some form of relationship even if fleeting and it's in the "Marriage" Information where you control how the situation is reported. Open the Marriage Information screen for Mary. On the left you will find a checkbox "This couple didn't mar ry" - check that. That is what invokes the non-marriage wordings. Then go to the Wording Options tab and put in your alternate wording you want if the default isn't what you want. Defaults are set at Options - Customise 8.7 The Wording Options tab overrides the defaults. It can read "Mary had a child." If you don't want "Unknown" showing on your Family View for the blank father, make sure you have Options - Customise - 3.11 checked for "just leave blank". This changes it for eve ryone in your file so if you still have Unknown showing, it's because you've actually entered that yourself (and the person has a RIN which the blank record doesn't have). Cathy Stan wrote: Thanks Carolyn, This is the first instance though where putting alternative words in the descendant narrative report options has not so far produced an acceptable result. There are other Leg acy reports that simply state "xxx had a child" by default, which is what I would like to do. I can easily change the wording in the "marriage" to call it a relationship or other on a case by case basis and do this. My aim is to remove any reference to an unknown father and a "marriage", My Descendant narrative report runs to well over 700 A4 pages. I have macros in Word that do a bit of customisation on a global basis and then create a new PDF, which is how I distribute it I dont want to have to remember to do other changes to individual entries every time I update a listing though. (very frequently) cheers Stan ------ Original Message ------ From: "CE WOOD" <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>> To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected] <mail to:[email protected]>> Sent: 1/10/2015 4:32:26 p.m. Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Descendant Narrative Wording Option There is a father; he is unknown. So far, there is no problem. Your problem seems to be with the wording that calls it a marriage. That is solved in other ways that other posters can elucidate better than I. If the report will not produce the precise wording that is acceptable, you need to produce the report in another program, such as Word. There are options that enable this. Explore them. Legacy is not a report program; it is a database program that has some basic, limited report capabilit ies and accommodates producing reports in a few other formats in which you can use the verbiage that you desire. Cheers, Carolyn ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> Subject: [LegacyUG] Descendant Narrative Wording Option Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2015 03:20:09 +0000 I have a problem that I am sure others have already solved The scenario "Mary" at a time of youthful exuberance found herself pregnant at the age of 16 over 60 years ago. The baby was born and was adopted out to unknown (at the time ) parents who called her "Jane". The fathers name was not divulged and did not appear on the birth certificate. Jane did not have a happy childhood with her adoptive parents, When she was around 30 she managed to learn of Mary's ide ntity and made contact Mary did not marry or have any further children, but is now, in her 70s in close contact with Jane, Jane's husband as well as with Jane's children and grandchildren. ( her great grandchildren } and all want them included as her descendants in a descendant narrative report. In the same vein Jane does not want her adoptive parents identified or any reference made to them They are both happy with a General Note appearing on Jane saying she was legally adopted at birth but now is in close contact with her birth mother Mary The problem. Mary and Jane both want no reference to the birth father, They do not want him recorded as unknown, They do not want any "marriage" event recorded as a relationship or anything else They just the words "Mary had a daughter Jane" then continuation with the narrative the same as usual. Is that too much to ask? I have tried many things but nothing has wo rked. Removing the marriage link then just attributing the child to Mary, reinstuted a "marriage" and unknown fat her. I had thought that by making the "Unknown" father "private" as opposed to " invisible" he and the marriage would be ignored but regrettably that also suppresses Jane and her descendants Has anyone already solved this problem?? cheers from Stan in NZ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
