My most sincere thanks to all who replied to my query! This was my first post on the Legacy User Group and I am thrilled to find such helpful people!
On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 4:42 PM, CE WOOD <wood...@msn.com> wrote: > Fitz Alan meant he was the son of Alan. It had nothing whatsoever to do > with legitimacy! > > > Later, Fitz Allen became used as a surname and was used for daughters as > well as sons. > > > "de Ferrers" was never a surname. It meant the person was "from Ferrières > ". > > > Medieval genealogists do not use the "de" in assigning a surname, nor do > they use "mac", "von", "van", "di", etc., because those words also means > "from". In a database such as Legacy, it is so very much simpler, as well > as correct, to use the place name "Ferrières" (which was Anglicized into > "Ferrers", "Hohenstaufen", "Egmond", etc. > > > Imagine searching through all the "de xxxx" to find the one. > > > > Also, if you are venturing into medieval times, Legacy is the perfect > program because it allows for many AKAs. That is essential, because people > usually referred to in documents by one or more of the titles they held, > not by their place of origin. It is incredibly helpful to have all the AKAs > listed because then, when you find someone mentioned, you can search by > that alternate name. It also allows you to have a listing of the succesive > earls, duke, etc., of a place right there in your index! > > > The surnames below, found in documents, are underlined: > > > Take William d'*Aubigny*. He was also known in documents as William d" > *Albini*, and William, 1st Earl of *Arundel*, among others. > > > John fitz *Alan* of Arundel was known as John 4th Earl of *Arundel*, John > *FitzAlan*, John fitz *Alan*, 2nd Earl of Clun, John *FitzAlan*, 2nd Earl > of Clun. > > > As the Middle Ages progressed, the titles came fast a furious. Depending > when in a person lifetime the documents were written, the same person would > be mentioned by a different title. > > > If you are venturing into the medieval, BEWARE! Use primary sources or > reliable secondary sources ONLY. > > > Primary sources include the Calendar of Close Rolls, Calendar of Fine > Rolls, Calendar of Inquistions Post Mortem (IPMs), Calendar of Inquistions > Miscellaneous, Calendar of Papal Registers, e. alia. > > > Also be aware that even the reliable secondary sources such as *Complete > Peerage*, *Domesday, Descendants*, *Domesday People*, *Europäische > Stammtafeln*, and Settipani's tomes, have been corrected as new documents > are being discovered all the time. > > > > > CE > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* LegacyUserGroup <legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com> on > behalf of Jenny M Benson <ge...@cedarbank.me.uk> > *Sent:* Thursday, August 10, 2017 12:57 PM > *To:* firstname.lastname@example.org > *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] How best to record less common name formats > into my Legacy program > > On 10-Aug-17 08:17 PM, Lin Sharp wrote: > > I am fortunate in having success in documenting some of my family lines > > back as far as the 13th century in what is now the UK. I would appreciate > > suggestions as to the best way to record those names in my Legacy > program. > > Names such as the following are a bit different from today's > nomenclature: > > > > > > Eleanore de Ferrers > > Richard Fitz Alan > > William Le Bigod etc. > > > > As I understand it, what appear to be prefixes indicate their parentage. > > With my various "Fitz" names (for instance) it appears that William Fitz > > Hugh is the son of Hugh. Hugh may have been the son of Ralph and his name > > appears "Hugh Fitz Ralph". His father may have been Ralph Fitz William, > > etc. This of course is not our way of naming today when the surname > > typically remains the same (except for spelling) from one generation to > the > > next.. > > > > My question is how to record these names in the surname box. Do I show > "de > > Ferrers" as the surname, or "Eleanore de" as the then given name in the > > first example? For Richard Fitz Alan, is "Fitz" a part of the surname? > > The same goes for William Le Bigod. It wouldn't really work right to > > include the "de" , "Fitz", or "Le" in the prefix box because some of > these > > ancestors also have Titles. > > > > I know that consistency is my main objective but would truly would > > appreciate guidance as to the proper way to do this! > > > > > > > Strictly speaking, "de Ferrers", "Fitz Alan", "le Bigod" in your > examples are not surnames but descriptives. I see no reason, though, > why you should not treat them as surnames. In each case I would put the > entire contents of the quotation marks I have used into the Surname > field in Legacy. Bear in mind, of course, that you will probably have > to override the "suggested" Surname which Legacy will automatically > assign if you are entering one of these people as a child of his/her > father and you will probably also have to override the Surname when > entering the children of the males. > > It may or may not be the case for Richard Fitz Alan, but I think I am > right in saying that Fitz usually indicated the child was the > illegitimate offspring of his father. > -- > Jenny M Benson > http://jennygenes.blogspot.co.uk/ > JennyGenes Blogs <http://jennygenes.blogspot.co.uk/> > jennygenes.blogspot.co.uk > I rather enjoyed myself the other day when my sister asked me for help to > solve a little puzzle. 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