Scott, you have convinced me to Avoid having family from Pennsylvania. :-)
Unfortunately Mom was from Meadville & Dad was from York. Thank you for clarifying the challenge for us all. You can only record what you know to be true. Enter what you know the place name was at the time of the event, using whatever descriptors (Township, Town, etc.) you can confirm. Add notes of explanation to help others understand. All the best, John Zimmerman Sent from my iPhone XS > On Aug 4, 2019, at 7:52 AM, Scott Hall <[email protected]> wrote: > > I wanted to chime into this conversation because I find entering place names > to be a challenge as well, and Pennsylvania is a perfect example. > > First, I concur with those who say enter the place name as it was at the time > of the event. Those who enter the modern address and add the historic > address in the notes have an interesting alternative, but it's not the > preferred method as place names (even modern ones) can change. > > But, that's not really what I wanted to talk about. Early on I discovered a > challenge when more than one "root name" exists within a larger > administrative division. For example, in Lycoming County, there is both > Muncy Township, and Muncy, a borough. Muncy, the borough, is part of Muncy > Creek Township, not Muncy Township. This is far from an isolated case -- > numerous counties in Pennsylvania have a township and a borough with the same > name that are separate administrative divisions and where the borough is not > located within the township. > > Now, the commonly accepted place recording convention, as far as I understand > it, is that descriptors like village, town, county, etc. are not recorded > unless officially part of the name. Even New York City should be recorded as > "New York" with the appropriate county (New York, Bronx, Richmond, etc.) > recorded--but that's a different discussion. > > Back to Pennsylvania....when you come across a record that simply says > "Muncy", which Muncy is it? Let's say you can figure it out...you know it's > the Township. Now, generally you'd record it as Muncy, Lycoming, > Pennsylvania, USA -- but if you do, when you (or someone else) comes back to > it -- which Muncy did you mean? > > So, to solve this problem, I've started to include the word "Township" in the > record -- "Muncy Township, Lycoming County, Pennsylvania, USA". And, of > course, that means I also have to use "Borough" -- "Muncy Borough, Lycoming > County, Pennsylvania, USA". But what if Muncy was a city? Would I enter > "Muncy City, Lycoming County, Pennsylvania"? Or perhaps, "Muncy (city), > Lycoming County, Pennsylvania, USA"? I'd prefer not. > > Perhaps only Townships should get that designation, as generally I found that > they are the one entity that tends to bear the same name as another > administrative division. But in much of the northeast, like New York, there > are no townships, only towns, which often have villages or cities bearing the > same name contained within them (e.g. Canandaigua is a city wholly contained > with the Town of Canandaigua). While in places like Pennsylvania, Michigan, > or much of the midwest people may refer to a township by saying the word > "township", in New York they certainly don't. No one says Canandaigua town, > nor Canandaigua city. So, same problem. > > This latter issue is less significant than the Pennsylvania problem, though, > as at least one entity is contained with another. But, in Pennsylvania, as I > pointed out, they do not always bear this relationship. > > Thoughts? > >> On Tue, Jul 30, 2019 at 5:47 PM Connie Laubach <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> Trying to decide how to input the location names – I have townships that are >> made up of villages and boroughs. How are others handling it? >> >> I have thought of the following: >> >> Village, township, county, state, United States >> >> or >> >> township-village, country, state, United States (I like this as all >> villages within the township would be listed together) >> >> >> >> Thank you, Connie. >> >> >> >> >> >> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >> >> >> >> -- >> >> LegacyUserGroup mailing list >> [email protected] >> To manage your subscription and unsubscribe >> http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com >> Archives at: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ > -- > > LegacyUserGroup mailing list > [email protected] > To manage your subscription and unsubscribe > http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com > Archives at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/
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