----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Benyon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, May 22, 2000 3:04 PM Subject: [LegacyUG] Title > Hi > > Just a quick moan:-) 50 characters still isn't really long enough in > some circumstances for a title. I'm putting a tree together for a > distant cousin and find that I'm cut off in mid flow and will have to > start making manual adjustments all the way through any reports I > produce with the consequent room for error - eg this is all I can fit > in: > > 5th Earl of Craven, Viscount Uffington, Baron Crav > > But I'd like to include the dates in for the creation of each eg 5th > Earl of Craven (1801), Viscount Uffington (1801), Baron Craven (1665) > a la Burkes Peerage etc. > > Paul > Portland > > As the majority of my research is in the Medieval era, I fully understand your difficulty. I would agree with the others that the dates for the particular creations probably belong in events. The dates of creation are not necessarily pertinent to the complete picture of the titles. The further back you go with the titles, the less certainty there is for creation of titles. Also, the succession of titles can also be a bit murky. Some title holders were never summoned to Parliament whereas the date summoned to Parliament could be signifigantly later than the date at which succession to the title occured. However, I hope your point about using multiple titles as suffix titles which extend beyond 50 characters is not lost. As your illustration shows, a person can have a number of titles. In England the titleis are as important as the surname and actually more so. Although your illustration of the Earl of Craven coincides with the family Craven, most titles have nothing to do with the family that honors them. Another example might be the Dukes of Marlborough. They are surname Spencer-Churchill. If you check sources looking for Spencer-Churchill you will likely find data regarding Sir Winston's immediate family. However, if you are looking for the Spencer-Churchill Marlborough descent, you will have to locate that dignity. It is maddening not to generally be able to search sources such as Burke's or Debrett's or The Complete Peerage by surname, but it is the title which is paramount, not the surname. So your inclusion of and interest of adding appropriate titles is I believe a valid one. I don't think it was mentioned in the previous posts, but I think you could possibly add the additional titles as AKA's, but like you I would prefer they be as suffix titles. Best regards, Henry Sutliff
