Well, I will have to say, I have almost jumped ship a couple of times to The Master Genealogist, because they seem to have the problem solved!
Peggy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich from LA CA" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2004 5:52 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Female married name It will always be a problem. In the Spanish languages the wife doesn't take the husband's name, but her children use both his and her surnames until they choose which to use (if ever). In patronymic groups, each child was known by his /her father's name+son(sen, sonne) or name+datter then the farm he lived on (not neccesarily born on), until the turn of the twentieth century. In the oriental societies, women do not change names at marriage, either. Only in America, (and English speaking lands) and only recently, was the custom to automatically change the name to the husbands name. The amazing thing is, IMHO, there is no state (in USA) that requires that a woman when marrying, MUST change it. (If there is, I want to know.) It is only a custom. The only place I can think of to put your notice is in AKA, and put in the notes you are not now, nor have you ever been known by the name Peggy Watson, and will not quarentee answers addressed to this person. But how do you know the relative doing the paperwork will know? And will do it your way. I have several death certificates of relatives, where the name does not match any birth nor marriage record, but we know that it is correct anyway. Good luck on getting your 'witness' to get it right. Programing for even these 4 examples would be huge, and there are many more. Rich in LA CA -----Original Message----- From: Peggy Baldwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Mar 28, 2004 10:50 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [LegacyUG] Female married name Searching the Legacy archives I came across the following message below. What is the status of how women not taking the man's name in marriage at this point? I don't see it just as a report issue, but also there should be a way to indicate it with an individual record. I did not take my second husband's name when we got married in 2002. I have been very surprised to run across a Peggy Watson in my wanderings through Legacy, and then realized it was me!! When people following me look at my records there should be a way for them to realize that my death certificate will be under Peggy Baldwin, not Peggy Watson. PEggy Re: [LegacyUG] Added female marriage name ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- a.. From: Dave Berdan b.. Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Added female marriage name c.. Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 04:02:31 -0800 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- I don't think you understand the proposal for the new optional Wife's Current Surname field. (Let's call it "Wife's Married Surname.") As it currently works (without this new field): A female is shown and printed with her maiden name. The only exception is on the Calendar Creator where there is an option to print the females with their "married name" in which case we currently substitute the husband's surname. (And we plan to add that option to the Name Tags.) With the new proposed field: If you never put anything in the new field, everything would work exactly the way it does now. But, if you had a married woman that was known by her maiden name (Greta Sofia Andersdotter) and you wanted her name to print that way on a calendar when using the "married names for females" option, you would enter Andersdotter in the new Wife's Married Surname field. The calendar would then keep her original surname (patronymic name) when including her on the report. If you had a woman named Mary Smith who married a Frank Jones and she decided to go by the name of Mary Smith-Jones, you would enter "Smith-Jones" in the new field. (And again, the only effect it would have would be on the calendar report and the name tags.) This would just be a way to special-case the females that didn't take their husband's surname...and would only be used when printing calendars and name tags. Otherwise you would never have to use it. For those of you who have files with a lot of couples where the wife didn't use the husband's surname, we would add a tool (probably to the Marriage List) that would let you highlight records, singly or in groups, and then have the wife's surname automatically copied into the new Wife's Married Surname field. Again, this is just a proposal that is in the discussion stage. I hope that I have explained the concept better this time. I would appreciate any and all comments concerning this idea. Thanks, -- Dave Berdan Millennia [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.LegacyFamilyTree.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christer Siverud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 9:58 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Added female marriage name Dave - Please do not do this. The tradition of a female to take over the husbands lastname is only about 100-150 years old, so for us researching further back than that this will be a major pain in the (you know where). Example Lars Erik Jonsson married Greta Sofia Andersdotter in 1850. No one of them had a familyname, they had patrynom stating who their father was. Lars Erik was the son of Jon and Greta Sofia was the doughter of Anders. As we Europeans have to enter patrynom in Surname the result would be that thousands of marrige records have to be changed to be able to print family reports as they should look like. Other wise all female would get a patrynom they never had. Summary: This would be a disaster if you do it like this. Thanks for asking us about the consecuences before you did it - love you for that ! Christer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Berdan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 11:21 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Options for Calendar Creator > Yes, this is a problem. > > We plan on adding an additional field to the Marriage screen called > something like: > Wife's Current Surname __________________ > > If a woman keeps her maiden name in a marriage, or uses a hyphenated name, > or some other name, it can be entered here (and that is what will be used > whenever a "married name" option is selected on a report. It would only be > filled in when a special case is encountered. Otherwise it would be left > blank and the husband's surname would be used for the "married name." > > Does everyone think that this would handle the various situations? > > Thanks, > -- > Dave Berdan > Millennia > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > www.LegacyFamilyTree.com > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cathy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 11:35 PM > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Options for Calendar Creator > > > Hi Duane, > > Names and their variations. Here we are again with this problem. > > The problem is not just with divorced women, some of whom retain their > ex-husband's name, some of whom revert to maiden name, and some legally > change their surname to something else entirely (as has one of my cousins). > > There is also the case of married women who retain their own surname and > those who have married more than once. It would seem to be their married > name during the preferred marriage which is used rather than the last > marriage. I set the preferred marriage to the one that produced offspring > if only one did. This is often not the last. > > This is an issue with Name Tags as well. > I have used the Address Name to enter the name used by individuals now and > use that for Name Tags. > I'm aware this is a work around - one that can't at present be used with > Calendar Creator though it may be a partial solution. However, I'm sure > those who prefer more formal addressing of envelopes would disagree. > > Another issue here. No doubt the option to omit divorced couples only works > for the Anniversaries. However it would be good if it worked to omit the > divorced partner who married into the family. Otherwise it is necessary to > search for them and go through and untag the relevant individuals. > > All this shows up once again that it would be nice to get the bugs out of > the existing reports before adding more features for their are other issues > with the Calendar Creator such as the ambiguity of the birthdate for those > who don't fit in the calendar boxes. > > Cheers, > Cathy > > At 14:06 27/10/2003, you wrote: > > >Hello List: > > > >I have just been making a calendar with the calendar creator and I have > > > >a problem. > > > >It seems that if I check the option to use married names for females > > > >that divorced women still have their married names. > > > >Shouldn't there be some way to opt out of this for some of them? > > > >I tried changing to an AKA but the name still stays the same. > > > >This is doesn't seem right to me. > > > >What do you think about this? > > > >Any Suggestions? > > > >Duane Canaday > > > > Legacy User Group Etiquette guidelines can be found at: > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > > To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup%40mail.millenniacorp.com/ > > To unsubscribe please visit: > http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group Etiquette guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup%40mail.millenniacorp.com/ To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group Etiquette guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup%40mail.millenniacorp.com/ To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group Etiquette guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup%40mail.millenniacorp.com/ To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/LegacyLists.asp Rich in LA Legacy User Group Etiquette guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup%40mail.millenniacorp.com/ To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group Etiquette guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup%40mail.millenniacorp.com/ To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/LegacyLists.asp
