I like the idea of "est" for searching purposes.  The reason I avoid
"about" is that it gets spread around as the final answer.  I would
rather keep my work to myself until I have the actual documents and
dates.  However, it is important to have estimates or abouts for
research purposes.  Thank  you all!

Dee
San Diego


On Sat, 8 Jan 2005 17:17:40 -0700, Ron Klotz Zellhoefer
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I agree with Dee re: Abt dates. Most often such are birthdates.  Those
> calced from some source like census or baptism records are generally good
> enough to deserve "Abt".
> 
> Many other times one with find, eg.g parents of a better documented person,
> but with not dates at all.  For those, I use "Est" which I intend indicates
> to others that such are my estimate, rather than "Cir" which would indicate
> a more definite date-range.
> 
> My reason for using these is that these Abt/Est dates are so helpful when
> looking at name indexes, and also for searching for a certain surname within
> a date-range.  I have had to do so much of this in trying to determine and
> assemble families from known isoloated/island individuals, and would be lost
> without them.
> 
> Having only a name with no dates whatsoever really leaves one in the dark --
> could be anytime from 1500 to 2005, so there's just nothing to relate to.
> Anyway, it works for me!
> 
> RonKZ
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rob Weiss" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Saturday, 08 January, 2005 16:16
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] date problem
> 
> > Dee,
> > I'm curious to know why you don't like "about dates".  I use them a lot,
> > supported by notes to explain where they come from, and find them pretty
> > helpful, particularly early in the research process as one tries to map
> > out the likely structure of a family.  If I see 'Abt" I treat it like a
> > guess. Maybe others don't, or I'm missing something else, though.
> > Rob
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "dmw246" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[email protected]>
> > Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2005 3:53 AM
> > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] date problem
> >
> >
> >> Sometimes it is not possible to get a birth date.  For example, civil
> >> records of births in Italy start in 1809. Before that time, there are
> >> ONLY christening records in many locations.  I do not like "about"
> >> dates, and only use the christening date if there is no birth date.
> >> In my case, christening and birth are close enough that there is no
> >> age calculation problem, but this is an interesting situation.  I will
> >> look forward to hearing how people handle it.  I guess in Gene's case
> >> a temporary fix in an "about" date for birth, but you know how I feel
> >> about those!
> >>
> >> Dee
> >> San Diego
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 11:52:32 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>>        How about using an Event for the christening when it isn't
> >>> soon after birth (and you don't have birth date but have
> >>> reason to believe it's substantially earlier than
> >>> christening)?  This would avoid having erroneous ages
> >>> calculated by Legacy.
> >>>
> >>>                                Ruth Ann
> >>>
> >>> Ruth wrote:
> >>> > But Legacy already uses the christening date instead of a missing
> >>> > birth date in many circumstances, e.g. on the Individual's Information
> >>> > screen it calculates age at burial from a christening date if the
> >>> > birth date is empty.  I don't see why the same logic could not be used
> >>> > for age at marriage.  And your ancestor would not show as 11 years old
> >>> > as you have the birth date for him.  If you didn't have his birth
> >>> > date, that calculation would challenge you to look again at the
> >>> > information you had for the individual and so would be of benefit to
> >>> > research.
> >>> >
> >>> > What I like about Legacy is that I don't have to add guesstimates of
> >>> > birth years for people unless I have evidence of their ages from
> >>> > census or death records or such like.
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > On Fri, 7 Jan 2005 15:53:57 -0800, JimTerry
> >>> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> >>Gene,
> >>> >>
> >>> >>I don't see away around this.  I have an ancestor born in 1818,
> >>> >>christened 1823, and married at the age of 16 in 1835.  When I remove
> >>> >>his birth date, the Marriage Information screen shows him being 11
> >>> >>years
> >>> >>old at the time he married!
> >>> >>
> >>> >>Jim Terry
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