I think it's also important to remember that different information on a
source may also be primary or secondary. Death information on a death
certificate is primary information, but birth information on a death
certificate would usually be considered secondary, unless the death
occurred soon after the birth... 
The same would be true for others sources as well.... A burial, the
ssdi, etc- usually they are primary source for death but not for birth.
As an example.... My grandmother told everyone she was born in 1898 and
that her birth certificate burned in a NYC fire. Her death certificate,
her obituary and her tombstone all list her birth year as 1898. Several
years after she died, my mother found her birth certificate tucked into
a drawer of an old desk. She was born in 1889 and didn't want anyone to
know she was 9 years older than grandpa. So- you never know!
Susan

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rob
Weiss
Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 8:19 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Surety Levels and Evidence


Carol,
I think it is important to have consistent criteria to determine surety
settings and that these should be based on the use to which the surety
settings will be put.  In my case, I've set up some simple criteria
which I can then apply consistently, and which provide guidance on where
I should put my efforts to strengthen the evidence:

Surety Values- 
4: Primary Source (e.g. birth date and name on Birth Certificate); 
3: High Credibility Secondary Source (e.g. Name and birth date in
official index of BDM; secondary information on a Primary Source, such
as parents' names on birth certificate); verbal primary source.
2: Indirect secondary source, credible but not reliable as evidence; 
1: Indirect source of unproven or unlikely credibility; guess based on
some logic;
0: source is probably wrong, or is just a guess.

Note that as Legacy only applies Surety at the source detail level, it
is not easy to assign this based on the weight of other evidence
supporting this source. I determine the surety solely on the source
detail under consideration. For my direct lines I strive for 4. For all
other lines if I have 3, I'm happy.

There are two conflicting needs with sources. In order to guide your
research it is important that every relevant source is referenced.
However, for publication for the family (or for other uses as Elizabeth
has described) only the most credible source should be included. This
can be managed by using the "Add this detail to the Source Citation in
Reports" checkbox on the Source Detail screen. Not sure if this can be
applied to exports though.

I am not sure that my use of the terms "Primary" and "Secondary" sources
above is strictly correct, and am interested in the definitions you've
provided above. Although I've not found the need for more rigour in this
area, I'm finding this discussion thought provoking, and would be
interested in others' views.

However, I would really like a "-1" setting to specifically identify
sources that are incorrect! This is important to avoid revisting old
ground.

On 5/29/05, Carol Byers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> When evaluating evidence there are three things you need to consider: 
> 1. Source (Original or Derivative) 2. Information (Primary or 
> Secondary) 3. Type of evidence (Direct of Indirect)
> 
> The best evidence comes from an Original Source, with Primary 
> Information, and has Direct Evidence.  The weakest evidence comes from

> a Derived Source, that contains Secondary Information, and the 
> Evidence is Indirect is Indirect.
> 
> It would be nice if there was a way to quantify evidence and give it a

> surety number?  Has any one considered this, and developed a formula 
> based on Legacy's surety levels?
> 
> Also, the "Surety Level" should not be based on one piece of evidence,

> but should be weighted on the number and quality of the evidence 
> sources?
> 
> Any thoughts?
> 
> Carol
> Elk Grove, CA
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