shifting to legal
On 7/8/2011 3:50 PM, Anthony wrote:
On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 6:14 PM, Steve Coast<[email protected]> wrote:
Lets say you make a map and someone wants the data.
First, are you acting in the spirit of the license? Let's assume yes. That
gets you 99% of the way there, despite your technical detail analysis.
I'm not really sure what the spirit of the license is, so I don't
think it's safe to assume I am acting within the spirit of the
license.
Is CloudMade acting within the spirit of the license when they display
maps containing proprietary data which can be bought for only
$295/year? I don't see how they are, but apparently you think they
are, right?
I have no idea, I don't work there.
Next, you don't have to make the database available. You can make the db
available, or the code.
What code? I generally don't write all the code and then run the
code. I add a few things here, run a little bit of SQL there, find
some mistakes and run some more SQL, build some indexes, transfer some
files to EC2, run some scripts on EC2 which are too memory intensive
for my home machine, transfer some files back, etc.
Making "the code" available doesn't work.
Well that's what the license says, there's community norms around this stuff
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Data_License/Trivial_Transformations_-_Guideline
It feels like you're just looking for a reason to say no. It's extremely
simple: It's there because of the concern you have. Just publish or
point to the code. Declaring it 'doesnt work' isn't helping or true.
No license is going to be 100% perfect. Do you understand that?
We would all have a lot more time for you, I think, if your attitude was
"ok the license is basically done, we've spent years on it, lets get it
done and move on to version 2" rather than "I'm going to hold out with
increasingly outlandish scenarios until they delete my data".
Personally I think your questions about how much time to keep the db
for, for example, are reasonable. The problem is I could sit here for 10
minutes and come up with 10 reasonable looking questions like that about
any license and we would never get anywhere. So, my preference is we
just finish this phase and then work on implementing a bunch of fixes.
But this "stasis of concerns" in perpetuity isn't going to work.
If the LWG declared they would look at all those kinds of problems in a
'version 2' would you join us?
Adding a question, because your point about storage brings up a
potential semi-solution: What if I just store every database I ever
use on a hard drive, and if someone asks for a copy I send them, for
the cost of a hard drive plus shipping, everything?
I believe the GPL has an 'at cost' clause somewhere, and personally I
think that's reasonable.
Steve
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