I think I figured out a solution combining both methods as so

import leo.core.leoGui as leoGui

fn2='test2.leo'

nullGui = leoGui.nullGui("nullGui")
c2,frame = g.app.newLeoCommanderAndFrame(fileName=None,gui=nullGui)
c2.frame.createFirstTreeNode()
c2.save()

ok, frame = g.openWithFileName(fn2,c)
c3 = frame.c
c3.redraw()

But the c2.save() step opens a dialogue where I need to type in fn2
I want to pass fn2 to this step, but saveAs and saveTo also open the
dialogue box.

Is there a save that sets the saved outline file name?

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