On May 17, 9:52 am, "Edward K. Ream" <[email protected]> wrote:

> Here is Steve's first email to me:

And here is my reply:

QQQQQ
> VimOutliner has reached a crossroads.

This is one of the most exciting emails I have ever received.

To answer your last question first, I would be thrilled to have
additional developers and community members for Leo.  This is what I
live for.

Is it ok with you to post this conversation to the leo-editor group?
Doubtless many of Leo developers will be as excited as I am by the
prospect of a collaboration with the vim world.

>From watching the vim video, I know you to be an outstanding designer.
 The choices you made to meld outliner mode to vim are clean, smooth
and elegant.  Leo's present designers, myself, Ville Vainio, Terry
Brown, Kent Tenney and the late Bernhard Mulder all have/had our own
styles.  Your style would be a bit different, as would the styles of
other vim developers.  That's all to the good.  Such differences
contribute to "creative ferment".

Most people don't realize how much I want other products to "steal"
the Leo way.  New developers, and strong ties to other great tools are
the only ways that Leo will survive after I am gone.

I am not sure I understand exactly what you envisage for the new way
forward.  Here are some possibilities.

1. A set of additions to Leo, with a strong bridge between Leo and
vim.  Perhaps something like the leoBridge module could be made part
of vim.

2. A set of additions to vim, written in vim's scripting language that
emulate key parts of Leo.

3. Support, in vim's core, for Python. Leo's features could then be
copied and pasted from Leo to vim.

Any of these ways, or any other way, would be fine with me.

If clones are important to you, the big question is whether you will
find a way to do without sentinels containing gnx's.  I have looked
for such a way for more than 10 years, but perhaps you are more clever
than I.  I happily offer a $1000 reward for a solution that would meet
Leo's requirements.

These are just first thoughts.  Perhaps I've misunderstood what you
want.  Let's keep talking.
QQQQQ

EKR

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