Hi Edward
    I have been following your persistance with Vim mode with interest. I 
have had occasionally need to use VIM-style key bindings for probably the 
last 20 years or so; each time I try to get a bit beyond where I was last 
time in my learning of Vim; each time I mostly fail.Like you I think the 
modal philosophy just doesn't suit.

I have learned quite a few editors in my time, going back to primitive 
line-based editors under Dos & Linux, then simple editors like PMate and 
Teco, on to Wordstar, and then may others.

I've mentioned this before, but IMO the best key bindings are those of the 
Brief text editor, originally from Dave Naanan(sp?) and Underware inc.

Brief got bought by Borland who had the Codewright editor. Nowadays the 
most thorough implementation of a cross-platform Brief-compatible editor is 
CRiSP (see links below)

The Brief key-bindings are modeless and use the Alt-key extensively. I 
found them immediately comfortable when I first came across them 20+ years 
ago, and that opinion has only been reinforced over time.

I would recommend you take a look at the bindings and see if you think they 
might suit you. I would be keen to do anything that would assist in a 
Brief-compatible set of key-bindings for Leo. Currently I have to switch 
between standard Leo command bindings, and Brief ones, depending on which 
editor I use. I have augmented my Leo settings to assist in this but there 
are a few areas which might need more 'core' Leo work.

Some links:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brief_%28text_editor%29
    https://www.crisp.com
    http://www/crisp.demon.co.uk
    http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=265    # vim emulation 
of Brief; probably one remove to many to use as a reference for 'Proper' 
brief bindings.

    HTH and Cheers
    Jon N




On Sunday, 10 August 2014 14:58:25 UTC+1, Edward K. Ream wrote:
>
> On Sunday, August 10, 2014 5:58:43 AM UTC-5, Edward K. Ream wrote:
>
> > some people, including me, simply will never be comfortable with vim.
>
> I'll say one just one more thing on this topic.  My frustration with vim 
> will not be cured by adding more normal-mode commands because my 
> frustration arises from the difficulty of switching modes.
>
> EKR
>

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