On Monday, August 17, 2015 at 8:53:47 PM UTC-4, Dufriz wrote: > ... improving user friendliness for non-technologically savvy users is > paramount. This has been pointed out and requested so many times in the > past... I am very happy to hear that Edward thinks that most of the > essential stuff in Leo is now mature and good enough... There are so many > things to be improved, especially in the user interface... In this > regard, lots of useful comments were made in this mailing list (but so far > ignored...).
Your concerns are common, I think your confusion on why there is either silence or push-back with regards to your concerns is common as well. It is important for users and developers to each define what Leo is to them. On Friday, August 7, 2015 at 7:17:08 AM UTC-4, Edward K. Ream wrote: > Recent discussions have not changed this opinion... My priorities were > largely based on what seemed personally important. It's a sign of Leo's > maturity that possible new features get postponed for lack of urgency. > It seems he is now saying that he believes the important things have been done and therefor the bulk of his work is now done (which has been amazing and I at least am in awe of and grateful of). We should try to understand from his response that I'm certain he sees Leo (being Leo's father and architect) very differently than an average or even power user. A more apt statement to the community might be: Leo's architecture is mature and complete. However, the community doesn't think Leo is "essentially complete" and that is okay. It would certainly be foolhardy to try to change your (Edward's) opinion and I don't think anyway was. The community will never think Leo is essentially complete, and perhaps shouldn't, it means we want Leo to be more awesome. We will always be hungry Leo children and take as much as you (Edward) can give and more, often times without expressed gratitude. Perhaps this a point of tension between any unpaid developer and their community. And I think we're all honestly a little upset that you (Edward) want to work on Leo less, and as selfish as that is it is still hard to hear. I'm okay if Edward doesn't have the same desire to work on Leo's friendliness (which I understand for a lion friendliness can be challenging). I don't know if this is the case, but it would be helpful for the community to hear this explicitly though. It would help temper expectations, instead of douse them which I think is what has been happening. On Monday, August 17, 2015 at 9:17:34 PM UTC-4, David McNab wrote: > > *a complete rebuild, cloud from the ground up* > Again - desktop is dying. Leo *has* to go cloud! > I'm definitely going to have to push back here. I'm still bewildered by why people talk about the cloud like it's a heavenly place where we will all have superhuman abilities. It would be awesome if Leo had a collaborative mode and ran entirely in a web-browser. We all know that. It would also be awesome if our shoes had a collaborative mode and ran in a web-browser... Jokes aside, just because you *can* throw a bunch of servers and javascript at something and make it float around like a butterfly in the sky (or cloud) doesn't mean you have to, or that it's even a good idea. There are a finite amount of resources and making something "cloud" would use them all and some. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "leo-editor" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/leo-editor. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
