Bingo! That did it. Thanks for the noooobie-oriented instruction steps that assumed no prior knowledge. Sometimes that's what it takes. The only part that was unclear me (just for future reference) was 'its own directory'. Huh? What directory is its own? So I made a leap of faith, stuck the zip file in ~ (which fortunately I knew of) and let it create its own Leo-5.6 directory as it unzipped. This only required a modicum of prior knowledge and a guess that this is as good a place as any for it. I only say all this in case it helps someone help another rank newbie some time. :) Thanks again, I'll dive in from here and no doubt will be back with more questions. And by the way the simple statement, "Anaconda provides a python environment and Leo is a python program" was a good thing to say to me. Perspective on the big picture is good and gives me the first step in a grip on what's going on. These are the kinds of prior knowledge that is assumed in most installation instructions. Maybe there needs to be two sets of instructions, one for newbies that very briefly but clearly fills in almost all of the knowledge gaps and the other for the experienced person who only needs a few bare bones to understand what to do. In my opinion the Arch Linux wiki is one of the best of the best in documentation. Anything you don't understand probably has a link to further explanation, which in turn has links if you need even more concepts explained. Some day I'll install Arch, but not yet. Andy
On Tuesday, January 9, 2018 at 10:09:33 AM UTC-5, Chris George wrote: > > Hi Andy, > > Installing Anaconda provides a python environment. Leo is a python > program, so you have made a good start. > > Unzip the Leo archive into its own directory. > > Open the terminal (command line) and change to the directory you put Leo > in. > > Then type the following to start Leo with the defaults, including the > default workbook. > > python launchLeo.py > > This should get you started. These instructions would work on Linux and I > have no reason to think they would not work on a Mac, but I have zero > experience with Macs and could be wrong. > > Hope this helps. > > Chris > > On Tue, Jan 9, 2018 at 6:48 AM, andyjim <andy...@gmail.com <javascript:>> > wrote: > >> Hmm, I see an active discussion on Leo installation initiated by EKR on >> 11/27/17, and I see you in that discussion. Last post there is 12/15 but I >> assume work proceeds behind the scenes. Also noticed mention of Leo 5.7, >> which may include better installation methods/instructions? Any estimate >> on when 5.7 will birth? I'll keep digging on my own (not furiously, but >> hopefully with quiet persistence), but my ignorance is quite a hinderance, >> as much of what is mentioned is Greek to me. I know that newbies as >> newbyish as I are not the primary user target group for Leo, so many >> assumptions are made about what the potential user already knows. I have >> stuck my head through the doorway into a culture where I am a stranger, and >> much of the language eludes me. That's ok, I'll plug away awhile longer >> before deciding to flee to more familiar pastures. On the other hand, >> perhaps I am an ideal target for Leo-ites to work on how to reach out to a >> true dummie, and for how that true dummie may struggle through the morass >> and land with his feet on the ground. It seems that the frustration of the >> Leo-ites is in part the weakness of will in the newbie. We too easily feel >> overwhelmed and decide to give up. I know that in my case, the moment I >> trip upon a term that is new to me and is used assuming I already know all >> about it, my perception/reaction is that a wall has been raised against my >> entry. Now, seeking to peer over to the Leo-ite side of the wall, I think >> I hear gnashings of teeth and mutterings of, 'Why doesn't the fool take >> some initiative here? Look up the d### term! Do your homework!'. I get >> that, and that is undoubtedly how those on the other side of the wall >> addressed their gaps back when they were themselves newbies. Maybe the gap >> here is in part between the off-center user (i.e. the one whose use is not >> in the mainstream for this tool) and the developer (whose use IS the >> mainstream). The 'shallow' user doesn't want to have to become a tool >> developer or even a beginner programmer just to learn how to use the tool. >> Leo, it seems, is targeted primarily to developers/programmers, whereas in >> my case I am not and never will be even a programmer (let alone developer), >> just a writer/journaler/notes organizer who may possibly someday learn a >> little programming only to become a more adept user. >> I don't suppose these thoughts of mine belong in that installation >> discussion, as I think they're already quite aware of the problem, but I >> find myself wanting to express them somewhere, so here it is. >> Somehow, someday there needs to be a wonderful IDE for >> thoughts/writings/journals/notes. Most writer's software assumes the >> writer's need is to produce a document. And I guess that's what writers >> do. But thinkers produce thoughts/ideas; many of them, on many subjects. >> And organizing that is a challenge. I don't need a document producing >> tool, I need a thought producing/organizing tool. I have a rough design in >> mind for the tool that would suit me, but there is nothing like it >> available. In fact, I redesigned it just recently with an idea for an >> entirely different keyboard design. To me it's exciting, but it will never >> happen in practice. >> Sorry for the rambling here. Guess I'm blowing off some steam. Thanks >> for listening. >> Andy >> >> On Sunday, January 7, 2018 at 10:17:18 AM UTC-5, Chris George wrote: >>> >>> Hi Andy, >>> >>> I am a writer who fled Windows seventeen years ago, but I ended up on >>> Linux. I have been using Leo since 2007. >>> >>> While I can't really help much with installing on a Mac, I can tell you >>> that Leo will be suitable for your task. I have learned to use it for >>> everything, to the point that other than a web browser, it is about all I >>> use on a daily basis. >>> >>> Once installed, the learning curve is what you make of it. I learn >>> something new about Leo on a regular basis. I have read through the >>> documentation three or four times and am due for another go through. I have >>> learned a little bit about python over the years as well, but I am not a >>> programmer. As such, I feel that the power and utility of Leo is like a >>> deep ocean underneath me, but what I need is easily accessible here on the >>> surface. >>> >>> Leo meets my needs. It structures my writing, organizes all of the >>> clips, quips, quotes, bookmarks, and soon it looks like it will be able to >>> help me easily organize all of my images, pdfs, video and audio files using >>> the same concepts. It keeps me organized. It keeps me productive. >>> >>> I encourage you to "give it a shake". I would also evangelize for Linux, >>> but that is an entirely different story. :-) >>> >>> Welcome aboard, >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> On Sat, Jan 6, 2018 at 7:07 PM, andyjim <andy...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> I want an IDE/organizer for thoughts, ideas, journaling, writing. I >>>> have hundreds of past files of journals/thoughts to parse and organize >>>> plus >>>> my ongoing thinking/journaling addiction. Only thing I know of that >>>> may be close is Zettelkasten, but I haven’t dug into that yet, and don’t >>>> know if there’s a mature app for it. I may be barking up the wrong >>>> tree here but thought I'd give Leo a try. >>>> >>>> >>>> Not only am I a noobie to Mac, I am not a programmer and not a Linux >>>> user. Quite a case (refugee from Windows and don't think I'll go back). I >>>> do not know whether Leo will suit my needs but nothing else does and I’d >>>> like to give it a shake, though it seems the learning curve will be steep >>>> for me. >>>> >>>> >>>> So my first challenge is getting it installed in High Sierra. I see >>>> what is for me a complex and somewhat cryptic guide for installing on >>>> MacOs >>>> 10.7 (I know nothing of Homebrew, for example). Is this the most current >>>> information on a Mac installation? Will that guide get me through it? >>>> >>>> >>>> Perhaps someone here just needs to gently steer me away from Leo as >>>> unsuitable for my needs or my noobie-ism. Or perhaps someone will say >>>> ‘You’ve come to the right place and here’s how to get started!’ >>>> >>>> >>>> Happy New Year! >>>> >>>> >>>> Andy >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "leo-editor" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to leo-editor+...@googlegroups.com. >>>> To post to this group, send email to leo-e...@googlegroups.com. >>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/leo-editor. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>> >>> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "leo-editor" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to leo-editor+...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>. >> To post to this group, send email to leo-e...@googlegroups.com >> <javascript:>. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/leo-editor. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "leo-editor" group. 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