Thanks!  Please include what layout you are using, whether the issue 
happens immediately after an outline has been loaded, or otherwise when you 
notice it.  Also include, if you would, what help command you tried and how 
you dispatched it (minibuffer, menu, etc.).

As you can imagine, I did a lot of testing to make sure the help system 
commands would display in VR3 even it it wasn't visible.  I don't have some 
candidate edge issue in mind to look into, so if I can get a way to 
duplicate what you see it will be easier for me to troubleshoot. 

On Monday, October 28, 2024 at 8:55:37 AM UTC-4 viktor....@gmail.com wrote:

> Hello Thomas
>
> tbp1...@gmail.com schrieb am Montag, 28. Oktober 2024 um 13:34:03 UTC+1:
>
> On Monday, October 28, 2024 at 3:20:40 AM UTC-4 viktor....@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
> I tried to do a re-rest of the latest changes - and - noticed that there 
> is a surprising interaction b/w the ~ final ~ layout system implementation 
> & the help system.
>
> *NO help info is not displayed at all until I explicitly performed a 
> 'layout-restore-to-settings' !*
>
>
> Checking the behavior on my system, the help system does make VR3 visible 
> when used right after startup.  Specifically, with the initial layout set 
> to "vertical-thirds", F11 opens VR3 before showing the help  and the "Help" 
> menu items also display in VR3.
>
> You mentioned a "fresh" installation.  Would you explain more detail about 
> the case where Help did not display?
>
>
> The help system did display the expected was for the 'fresh' installation 
> - but - did not display as expected in my 'default / working' installation.
>
> I'll perform another round of tests & report back.
>
> With kind regards,
>
> Viktor
>
>

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