Bad publicity for LessTif.

For comfort, I've attached the presentation as well.

        Danny

http://www.bsdtoday.com/2000/October/News315.html
Title: BSD Today: I18N programming presentation at BSDCon
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I18N programming presentation at BSDCon
Lin, Kao and Wu review basic terminology, methods, ideas and suggestions for developing for internationalization support.

By Jeremy Reed

The international programming presentation at BSDCon 2000 was given by Clive Lin, C. L. Kao and Michael Wu. Their presentation is available via http://www.ece.utexas .edu/~mwu/.

Michael Wu started this presentation with several brief explanations and overviews of internationalization and localization support. I18N and L10N are just short ways to say internationalization and localization -- the numbers represent the number of characters between the first and last letters. CJK means Chinese/Japanese/Korean. Locales, which can represent a language group or nation for example, can help specify time formats, formatting currency and character sets. Wu said "we don't really like Unicode."

Wu mentioned needs for a graphics console and a multilingual install like some other commercial OS's have. An idea he suggested was having a message catalogue system, where system and kernel output error messages as numbers which can be used in different languages. He said that the ideas for this need to be agreed on, and that this could be a very big project to maintain, for example if there are 10,000 error messages.

He also mentioned several projects and techniques, such as CITRUS, libxpg4, unicode/utf8, catopen, GPL'ed gettext and international-based ports trees.

C.L. Kao discussed XIM -- the X input method protocol -- which is the standard for CJK users to input their text. He said that programmers should always use fontset_load() instead of font_load() (or leave to the toolkit). GTK/GNOME has full support, he said, and QT2/KDE are catching up and LessTif is completely broken. "Regrettably, we recommend GTK currently," Kao said. Also, he said "[even] if you don't know anything about internationalization, it shouldn't be hard to code for CJK users."

The third lecturer was Clive Lin from Taiwan. He spoke about some guidelines, several he learned from personal experience, about developing for I18N. He said "you don't have to do any special hacks" and "tell FreeBSD where you are." Set your environment via setlocale(3), login.conf and various dot-files. Lin also said to never assume ASCII characters sets, respect setlocale and to leave XIM hooks. He also said to never strip 8th bits. For example, he said that telnet in the base system strips 8th bits, and so now there are several separate telnets.

Wu finished the presentation with a plea to programmers: "Please follow the standards." He said a lot of programmers don't follow the specs and also said that there is a lot of duplicated effort and reinventing of the wheel. Wu also mentioned about the future of DNS and that your programs should expect changes for supporting future charsets: "Be a good software engineer -- leave room for future development."

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