what are differences between debian minimal system and LFS? i can see the learning experience part, but can't see how getting to a working system -- i mean getting to doing the work you want to do, the daily stuff -- wd be easier through LFS. also wonder if you end up with leaner system once you have a sys' for "daily stuff".
On 4/19/15, Richard Owlett <[email protected]> wrote: > Eric Herman wrote: >> On 04/18/2015 06:10 PM, Richard Owlett wrote: >> >>> But I need a better understanding of how the pieces of a Linux >>> system >>> work together. >> >> I found LFS to be a good way to learn exactly this. I didn't >> learn everything on the first try of course, but I sure learned a >> lot. > > Even if an install goes "perfectly", I'd likely learn that I > could better specify my goal(s) for the installation. > >> >>> 1. What version(s) of use SysVinit (systemd not wanted)? >> >> Looks like the current stable is Sysvinit-2.88dsf according to: >> http://linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/view/stable/chapter06/sysvinit.html >> >>> 2. Will working through LFS give an understanding of dependencies? >> >> This is covered pretty well in the text for the core system >> components. >> >> It is also covered in BLFS for each additional package one may >> wish to install, but with various amounts of information, >> depending on the package. For instance, if you look at: >> >> http://linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/view/stable/xfce/xfburn.html >> >> You will see that Xfburn lists both required and optional >> dependencies, but I need to read about the dependent packages to >> understand what those other packages are and why they are >> required or optional. >> > > I hadn't asked asked quite the "right" question ;/ > A better question might have been "What makes a minimal system?" > A definitive answer is unlikely. A comparison of packages that > Debian labels as "Essential &/or required", Slackware tags as > "A", the order in which Linux From Scratch builds will likely > point in a valuable direction. > > >>> 3. I have a *PHYSICAL CONSTRAINT* - dial-up internet access. >>> A. Live-CD would seem appropriate. Though considered >>> "dated", is it commercially available somewhere? Does >>> an image exist on the WEB(high speed internet being >>> available at local library)? >> >> I guess that nearly any linux flavor that has a live CD can be >> used as a foundation for building an LFS system. This page will >> help to figure out if the LiveCD of your choice has what you need: >> >> http://linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/view/stable/prologue/hostreqs.html >> > > You put a "sanity filter" on my question <GRIN>. If physical > Live-CD's are > not available, I do specifically want an image of one. Apparently > Oregon > State University has it available at > http://ftp.osuosl.org/pub/lfs-livecd/lfslivecd-x86-6.3-r2145.iso . > >>> B. Are all source packages available as a single package? >> >> Not as a single package, no. But you can easily download the >> whole set by piping the contents of this file to wget: >> >> http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/view/stable/wget-list >> > > OSU apparently has tar files of 6.0 thru 7.7 available at > http://ftp.osuosl.org/pub/lfs/lfs-packages/ . > >>> 4. Are there important questions I haven't thought of? >> >> Hundreds, I'm sure .... but there are always great people on IRC >> who can help, and IRC works fine even with dial-up. >> >> I think persistence is the most important thing. For your first >> system, it is important to follow the book very closely. Even so, >> my first LFS build took several tries because I made many errors >> along the way. However, I learned a lot by doing it. >> >> The text of the book gets better with every version, but still >> (if you are like me) I suspect you will find that there are >> sections which will seem "magical" and you may find yourself just >> typing in exactly what the book says without understanding much >> about /why/ you need to type the "magic" .... That's okay, over >> time, it's natural to learn more about the previous systems. If, >> like me, you decide to rebuild everything once every year or two, >> I expect you will find that more of it makes sense each time and >> less of it seems like "magic". >> >> I hope this helps. > > Thank you. > >> >> Cheers, >> -Eric >> >> > > -- > http://lists.linuxfromscratch.org/listinfo/lfs-chat > FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/faq.html > Unsubscribe: See the above information page > -- http://lists.linuxfromscratch.org/listinfo/lfs-chat FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
