On Sun, Jul 09, at 07:22 Jim Gifford wrote:
>    I have to disagree with you on this. The testing should be done by 
> hand not by a script. That takes the educational value our and plus 
> gives a lot of false positives during a release cycle.

Sorry to leave my cave for a second but I have also to disagree with you this
time,Jim.

A script will bomb out and exit immediately if any error found in the commands.
The eye is not perfect the shell however is accurate.

Plus it leaves you with some valuable logs,to examine and compare with previous 
builds.

As for the so called educational value,I believe there is a common misconception
here.
There is absolutely no educational value to copy/paste commands.

Someone who will have interest for the build procedure and seek for knowledge,
will read the Books anytime he likes,there is no rush to do it at the build 
time.

If someone really needs to be educated will do builds over and over again and 
when
he finish them,he will do one build more just to be sure that gained the 
desired 
knowledge.

If someone needs to know the inner function of a linux system he lives with the 
system.In the case of LFS we have to be proud that we give to the people the 
most 
purist linux system to the world. 

I am also thinking that Dan made it clear in his subject/message that he seeks 
for 
testers,for the shake to make the 6.2 release a reality.

Jhalfs,although I don't use it to be honest,is an excellent tool for the LFS 
developers
and for the rest of the community who would like to give some help to the Dev 
team.

For example from the time that Bruce decided to bring this baby (6.2) out I 
have already
did 3 builds,rebuilding the system to see if it is reproducible.

The LFS community (Devs/users) did a great deal of job since the previous 
summer (I 
remember that together with Randy we did the first builds) that gcc4* branched 
and 
it's really a pity that we didn't made a release since then.

The Book is rock solid as it is and we need to cut a branch to gcc-4.1* 
glibc-2.4 
binutils-2.17,as quicker as possible.

The LFS project is currently stifling of the absence of innovation and 
community 
participation and that needs to be change.

I would like also to give a call to the community as whole to help with this 
release.
And jhalfs or some personal scripts are our assistants to this tedious task.

The development is the real joy and we need to move on.

Best Regards,

Ag.

PS.
Congratulations Bruce,Tushar,Dan and Chris for your promotion.

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