Hi Peter..

  I've used just about every distro of Linux out there and know what your
going through, however if you do not have time to compile every single
little thing then Debian/Ubuntu is the only way to go but you have to
keep in mind that when you install a server based OS all of the unneeded
programs have been removed to give you the lean server you need. If you
have time to compile everything then LFS/Gentoo is the only way to go as
you get software designed for your specific system. As far as the
firewall issue goes if your building this box as a firewall only have a
look at IPCop its a decent Linux based Firewall distro, if not, well, I
don't think its a smart idea to have a firewall as well as a server on
the same box. I've since chosen Debian for a server and if you need any
help in understanding the apt-package manager feel free to email me and
I'd be happy to help it really is a decent package manager once you get
to know it.

  Chris..

> I finally put together another PC out of spare parts to use as a server;
> up to this point my only linux box acted as server, game machine,
> personal workstation, etc. and it drove my family crazy when I had to
> reboot because I was experimenting. Now I can experiment on my own
> computer while the server keeps working.
>
> I figured, I only have this weekend to get the job done so I really
> don't have time for a full lfs build.  Instead, I looked for something I
> could use out of the box with minimal configuration - give it the IP
> address of my internal network, let DHCP figure out the rest, and I'm
> good to go.
>
> Not.
>
> I picked Ubuntu because I've read good things about it and they even
> have an installation CD specifically designed for acting as a server.  I
> guess installation wasn't too bad - certainly easier than that of the
> Evil Empire - but then configuring stuff was impossible.  I didn't know
> where anything was!  Despite its being billed as a server edition there
> is no firewall included in the installation.  The docs recommend an
> easy-to-configure iptables interface called Firestarter... but that's a
> gtk interface and because I went with the server edition, I didn't get
> gtk.
>
> There's no package management so whenever I ran apt-get I had no idea
> what it installed or where it put things.  If I changed my mind about
> something and ran apt-get uninstall, it would only uninstall the one
> package I named and none of the 64 dependencies that went with it.
>
> I need to forward ipsec packets to my work machine so I can connect to
> my employer's VPN server, but the kernel is not compiled with ipsec
> forwarding.
>
> At that point I gave up on apt-get and used fpt to fetch a new kernel
> source... only to find that I can't build anything because the kernel
> headers aren't installed.  I ran apt-get install
> kernel-something-or-other-headers and it didn't put them
> in /usr/include; it put them in /usr/src where I have to run make - but
> make won't install the kernel headers because it won't run without the
> kernel headers installed!
>
> Next weekend, I wipe out the ubuntu partitions and start fresh with LFS.
> I learned my lesson.
>
> --
> Peter B. Steiger
> Cheyenne, WY
>
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