> -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Querna [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Tuesday, 9 November 2010 5:23 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [libcloud] Graduation Vote? > > I DO want the Java codebase to part of libcloud -- What I said before > was that it MAY or MAY NOT grow into a larger, multi-committer, > sustainable project. Today it isn't, I want it to grow, but I don't > think it should hold up leaving incubation.
Right, it will move with the rest of the project and a java release will come when its ready. I think we are all agreed. Let's start the vote. We will need to pass our own vote first, then give the rest of the Incubator PMC a chance to vote also. Gav... > > On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 11:11 AM, Eric Woods <[email protected]> wrote: > > Ant... I see what you're saying about a temporary holding place. I'm > okay with the Java base remaining in sandbox until the lack of support > Paul refers to is addressed (test cases, more involvement, etc). > > > > It is true that Paul is the primary maintainer of the python base. > Given this, I'm surprised at his opposition to incubating the Java > code here. The Java initiative represents an opportunity for the > libcloud project, not a competitor or extra overhead; an opportunity > for more growth, involvement, and language options for people looking > to use libcloud's services. This all helps raise awareness around the > libcloud "brand." The two implementations can benefit from each other. > The python community is now expressing interest in extending libcloud > to support storage services. I've already chartered a course for > storage support in the Java base, and I believe the python code can > leverage this work. > > > > Perhaps we should develop a plan of what to do with the Java stuff as > checkpoints are reached. > > > > - Eric > > > > On Nov 8, 2010, at 8:50 AM, ant elder wrote: > > > >> On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 7:14 PM, Paul Querna <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 2:24 PM, ant elder <[email protected]> > wrote: > >>>> It would be good to see more of a course set on what to do with > the > >>>> Java support. There hasn't been consensus on what to do with it so > >>>> showing the project can handle that would be good before > graduation. > >>> > >>> It hasn't attracted a diverse committer base. > >>> > >>> It hasn't been reviewed on a technical level. > >>> > >>> It hasn't been released (or had vetting with RAT). > >>> > >>> It is in a sandbox area. That is it's state. > >>> > >>> The Python side of libcloud is gaining absolutely zero by remaining > in > >>> the Incubator. > >>> > >>> The Java side is just a young project which may die, or may grow, > and > >>> I certainly hope for the former, but I am not sure how that is > related > >>> to the community we have today remaining in the Incubator. > >>> > >>> Many TLPs grow communities in different products as they mature, > and > >>> as long as we are comfortable with the makeup of the PMC, and trust > >>> them to know what to do, I don't believe the current situation with > >>> Java support is a problem for graduation. > >>> > >>> The Incubator is about education of people and IP clearance -- > trust > >>> the people to do the right things, and the IP situation has long > been > >>> clear for Libcloud. > >>> > >>> Thanks, > >>> > >>> Paul > >>> > >> > >> I'm not sure I'm convinced there's nothing more to be learnt here. > >> Dealing with what to do with the Java impl would help at least > >> demonstrate the community can deal with an awkward situation, just > >> leaving it in the sandbox seems like a holding pattern to me. But > even > >> if thats not done i don't get the warm fuzzy feeling that the > libcloud > >> community has learnt the Apache Way yet. It would be nice to see not > >> just the same one person doing all the releases, all the committer > >> nominations, most of the commits etc, even with graduation there > >> hasn't been any real discussion that i've seen about what the > >> graduation requirements are and why they've been met. If for some > >> reason you were unable to continue here Paul i'm not seeing much > >> evidence that the others would know all the ropes to continue. What > do > >> mentors/others think about this? > >> > >> ...ant > > > >
