On Apr 24, 2012, at 3:41 PM, Catherine Fitzpatrick <[email protected]> wrote:
> All kinds of products in the world don't work as advertised, including Tor
> --they don't tell you how slow it is or other problems easily Googled or that
> the entire project is at risk because its main founder is under grand jury
> investigation.
I must have missed something, Catherine.
Is it Roger Dingledine or Nick Mathewson or me who are being indicted, who
founded the nonprofit, or Michael G. Reed (formerly of Extreme Networks), Paul
F. Syverson, and David M. Goldschlag from the Naval Research Lab who had the
original patent research?
I'm a little out of the loop, having not been execdir for five years. I
certainly haven't been subpoenaed. How exciting! But, no trips for me...
Or are you just overstepping the facts with your usual enthusiasm?
Perhaps your referring to a staffer associated with the project, hired a couple
years after founding, not a founder, who is being invited to testify as expert
witness on the use of the software by a third party overseas?
We are talking about Jake testifying about Wikileaks using Tor for submissions,
right?
I don't think anyone on this list thinks that "threatens the project," and if
you don't understand why legally or technically or by PR I'll be happy to take
that offline.
No doubt via subpoena? That hardly threatens the project. It's SOP. Cool
your jets.
I understand cortisol is really bad for longevity. You should stop and breathe
more often.
This sort of attack is more appropriate to the smaller societies in Second
Life; here, it is better to do your fact checking first, and leave the
Stalinist attack rhetoric barrages behind. We prefer a collegial atmosphere.
Perhaps if you just link to one of your half dozen or so blogs, your fans here
if any can follow and read you crowing imagined victory there at whatever
length you want to devote time to, over Jacob today and no doubt over me
tomorrow now that I have waved the red silk, hey toro!
http://3dblogger.typepad.com/wired_state/2012/04/reply-from-jacob-appelbaum-to-my-criticism-and-my-response-on-ultrasurf-and-circumvention.html
It's what, 2006 now, that we've been doing this tired ping pong? First over
you attacking legal and economic academics in Second Life. And now in a far
more real world context with people who really don't need you adding to their
fatigue while they do worldchanging against pretty steep odds.
I know, having met you on person, that in person rather than in print you can
be reasonable, but you consider rhetoric and propaganda an art and tool. Like
a shiv.
You like coming into places as a provocateur to waste the energy of the
opposition strategically and tactically. You work to personally attack and
demoralize the most sensitive and effective activists with whom you disagree.
I have observed this pattern repeatedly, and often put myself purposefully in
harm's way to draw fire, because you have problems resisting provocation
yourself, in order to preserve gentler hides.
But you have over the years figured this out, attacking my parenting skills and
various extremely personal ad hominems that went well beyond the usual
personal/professional rhetorical bounds.
Please understand it is not welcome in every context in the way you use it.
Although it is our principle to support "your right to say it," I am exercising
my crone-like right to say, I know you, I have known you for years, I know your
scrappy character, and what jazzes you about your audience, and your audience
is you "talk radio" blog, your by-product, not this list.
And Catherine, you are a bully. You are the sort of person many of us are
spending our time here crafting measures to make the net safe from, from
elementary school to international affairs.
I am asking you civilly to back down. Even more, I am asking the list to stop
feeding the troll.
I am tempted to put it as an exercise to the list - a meta-excercise, perhaps,
a gedankenexperiment, if there is a way to come to consensus on bullies or bad
actors or trolls at some morphologically reasonable level of response for this
list? If we can't confront this here how do we deal with it on any layer of
interaction we work with with others?
Perhaps if you back down just a tad, fact check, distort less, you would feel
more welcome more places?
But I don't think that's your goal. Your goal is to be the heroic martyr for
your own satisfaction and your audience, which ultimately is on typepad, not
here.
Shava
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