On 25 October 2012 21:26, hellekin <[email protected]> wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA256 > > On 10/25/2012 02:07 PM, micah anderson wrote: > > > > full disclosure: i'm with riseup (and consider myself > > trustworthy!), and I know a lot of activists also have a high > > degree of trust in the work we do at riseup, perhaps partially > > because we've been around for 12 years and have a lot of history > > with social movements. > > > *** History is how trust grows within networks. I completely agree > with the importance of that factor in choosing to cooperate (use that > network) or defect. > > > > > Issues of trust > > > *** Many factors come into play when you have to make a choice: among > them, ignorance, emulation, and necessity (or the feeling of it) can > put a lot of people in danger. Cooperate-first is a common strategy > that's rewarding when it works, and, in that case, can be devastating > when it fails. But you can't avoid people "feeling lucky". > > How to raise awareness of relevant information in a noisy, saturated, > but distributed environment, so that it reaches the right people when > they need it? > > For example, one of the most visible resources on using VPN services > does not mention Riseup[1]. > > (the following are hints to evaluate the danger, not in any case a > statement that the software is insecure.) > > Steganos Software, the maker of OkayFreedom, is a German company, and > has been around since 1996. > > As a Microsoft Partner, Steganos makes software for running on > Microsoft's proprietary operating system as administrator. > > The OkayFreedom proprietary client program is available for download > on major (commercial) software providers. > > It allows to "invite friends" by providing their email address, > Facebook or Twitter accounts, in order to get "bonus traffic" > (otherwise limited to 1GB per month in the gratis version). So, > there's an incentive to go viral in order to augment the transmission > capacity, which can help explain its popularity. > *If I understand correctly, actually the VPN is not free! am I right?*
> > In case of the user's device is confiscated by the police, usage of > the software is not deniable. > > (disclaimer: I'm not a lawyer, so take the following with a mountain > of salt.) > > Article 5.1 of the Terms of Service[1] seems to provide legal ground > for Iran to sue Steganos Software, and forbid Iranians from further > using the service, but that remains to be seen in a German court. > > The Terms of Service of OkayFreedom state that they restrict "the > usage of OkayFreedom in any way that violates valid laws or > regulations." It does not mention anything about jurisdiction, so the > Iranian government could theoretically sue Steganos Software in > Germany and eventually obtain some user data (email if transmitted) if > so compelled by a German court of law--unlikely, but not excluded. > > In another point, users are held responsible for any damage they might > cause to any third party while using the service: if Iran sues the > company, and wins, the company can in turn sue its users according to > the terms of their license agreement. > > How the company identifies the client for legal purpose, etc., remains > unclear: it could be a unique client identifier, and what data is > linked to that is unknown... > ** > *I can say in worse scenario the Iranian government can obtain details of > some users and it's possible because Germany and Iran has a good > relationship! Therefore, this VPN is not a good option.* > > Regards, > > == > hk > > [1] http://en.flossmanuals.net/bypassing-censorship/ch025_what-is-vpn/ > [2] http://www.okayfreedom.com/tos/ > > P.S.: I shamelessly say https://help.riseup.net/en/donate > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ > > iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJQiaBZAAoJEDhjYTkcokoT1SgP/RZkLX+SSsyDcQguwR5zhl8S > tOAP1nm4dAp8ekWvpRjy6nseW5F30C46glNOZcJmqquMcil4EIDhlUv0B1krCj3O > KkIS1rIHcFu+6pROwWRkdEiNxhvBxS6nYEvaAZz3cTmfN2a40oCwjFtIhBZmc22+ > Zw5s5xXjyqGSd2vcK8KfwD2/mM03/DL3TYr9tOdRrOjgvvA26otU3zva6TaYHpK8 > biDdweeVWi/QHiGvCFgXsavWaUCVD9O3x6S9ECXfCZ8KPGHCkk5pA13zpopkcoft > ihCUpUfOLGxFrletfSW8gq+LnfR3soMuzA/Hv+/7SqfBfKVQT9oYbZcdt57KU7VH > KNx3SDgax0x9T90QsTxFALt2yBeKDAU91G4lGuArxPs4HuXiXTsbgidE2Z4zSRze > n+Krpn0+1BsRolVsRXnkHHYLWQV0Og+OeboM0vzKLvwFpQ2QfrDunqHQuCPNX3+/ > VHTCF4sMYr7DgE5xfVpt3mtVlwu43y6Kju9mZkJi1RZTEgovu5wd2Lx5vUuy0ZDw > 1hWevtdAQjgoSz8QBorhuwlPqSdI0/Te8dZyiRTo9CZ2jzIODjd9ENtB6FLBGKcC > 0aWrCqmCR0q/Dxn7e8EFxEVdmKd0zux4SBhVcOvo7bbRr4W0NvJevuFyyGeKPgin > +huXg9zHZzFZwRjfNhb3 > =d2dp > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > -- > Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password at: > https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech >
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