-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Salut Julien,
Thanks for correcting me: the one English article I read (mentioned in my mail) was light on details, and my French is, well non-existent, so I was reliant on Google translate, which I never trust! For the point of core infrastructure, the fact that the user can turn it off (as opposed to on!) from the CPE makes sense then. But also quite a "sloppy" solution. Regarding the ad IP blacklist: is there any information on it? Who creates it/manages it? Is there any way to get on/off this list? Presumably Google ad IPs are on there. I did not know about the connection with the Free owners and the ad-business. I wonder what the purpose is, indeed. Just trolling like you say...it being a sloppy solution would lead me to believe its something like you suggest. thanks, Bernard On 3 Jan 2013, at 18:42, Julien Rabier wrote: > Of course, for my first post on this awesome mailing list, I had to do such a > silly mistake to invert opt-in and opt-out. > > To sum up : > Acceptable with opt-out : No. > Acceptable with passive opt-in : No. > Acceptable with active opt-in : Yes. > > By the way, I take a moment to introduce myself : > I'm participating in a non-profit and local DIY ISP [1] and we are several > organizations in France doing the same thing, some of them grouped in a > federation called FFDN [2]. Promoting Net neutrality, citizen's control over > the Internet infrastructure and so on. > > Julien > > [1] http://www.ilico.org/ (only in french) > [2] http://www.ffdn.org/en > > Le 03 janv. à 19:30, Julien Rabier a écrit : >> Hello everybody, >> >> Just want to add some precisions : >> >> - Not all web based advertisements are blocked. Blocking is done with a >> blacklist of IP addresses. >> - It is done on the CPE level, not in the core network of Free. >> >> This story is quite shaking the french interwebs and i was like Bernard at >> first and the more I think about it, the more my position is confused. >> >> My current state of mind is : >> - Is it an acceptable net neutrality violation if it's done on an opt-out >> basis ? Yes. >> - Is it acceptable in the current, opt-in, case ? No. >> >> One funny thing is that the ad-company of lemonde.fr (biggest online >> journal in France) owned by X. Niel who also owns Free, is still accessible. >> It's not in Free's blacklist. >> >> There is a fight between Free and Google about Youtube for some months now. >> So, is it a google trolling move ? >> >> At least, it's a good way to show how ad-dependent the commercial web is >> currently is. >> >> Julien >> >> Le 03 janv. à 17:41, Bernard Tyers - ei8fdb a écrit : >>> Free ISP a French ISP with approx. 5M subs has blocked, by default, all web >>> based advertisements being served to their fixed-line Internet subscribers. >>> [1, 2] >>> >>> As a consumer, I would be very happy about it. As a "Internet neutrality" >>> (whatever you want to call it) supporter I disagree with what they are >>> doing. >>> >>> If they want to offer this as a service, then it should be opt-in, as >>> opposed to opt-out (subscribers can turn it off via their Internet router). >>> >>> While it's not life-threatening Internet censorship, in my opinion it is >>> still censorship. From a network infrastructure POV, it would be a >>> reasonably large job to carry this out successfully, without issues, but >>> nothing a modern ISP with a budget could not build. >>> >>> On the Twitters there are various reasons being discussed (the ISP is >>> blocking companies, who are not paying them anything, from making money). >>> >>> Will we see some websites blocking access for Free ISP subs? Will they >>> offer a second-class service? >>> >>> An interesting, but slightly disturbing development. >>> >>> >>> [1] >>> http://www.rudebaguette.com/2013/01/03/new-update-to-freebox-censors-internet-ads-by-default-for-5-5m-users/ >>> >>> [2] (Google translated) >>> http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=fr&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.numerama.com%2Fmagazine%2F24665-blocage-des-pubs-free-pete-un-cable.html&act=url >>> >>> regards, Bernard > > >> -- >> Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password at: >> https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech > > -- > Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password at: > https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech - -------------------------------------- Bernard / bluboxthief / ei8fdb IO91XM / www.ei8fdb.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.17 (Darwin) Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJQ5eU5AAoJENsz1IO7MIrr3RkH/j4y3cJGhKJ78FX8okU/GLXc CZOzW2aDEvcXM+d9aOwcC8J1BmTg/ZKzPAh/kVcvkMeX3VcdKujOCFgBiv0mppdn dtgZvgcbMg4ggRop9pQQTN1U1lPaFUuoI8S8JEzGup066T653A4b29zKaVqTEr8F EQNdBKTu8/4JwfYLgERIERLlQK+F4G1vcfKX9tnwFa6nOuldOLX6iID26rKgtSX9 0gRXvaixI6TBh7jzwUE0jzw422pVhfVCM6mgEJoq9pwJcuC+shC1MQAWlot22Mhr 5L0u/ORRBTCUq1fHIo/wwO00LPjIZeTWJQ27TQR6oNaiIqgI2jIIYHeezFqswIU= =YfcV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password at: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
