+1 for skipping the middleman, but I wouldn't go DRM ( https://dubiousdod.org/drm ) but rather create a free platform (perhaps even something reddit-style where scholars can comment on each other's works, tag it, etc. IMHO, since research is so costly, a "business plan" to profit from people * viewing* articles would produce negligible revenue in comparison.
On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 6:09 PM, Eugen Leitl <[email protected]> wrote: > ----- Forwarded message from Edward Bender <[email protected]> ----- > > From: Edward Bender <[email protected]> > Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 16:23:50 -0600 > To: HSF List <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [HSF] Freedom of speech takes a back seat to Title 17 of the > US > Code[OT] > User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.35.0.121009 > Reply-To: [email protected] > > The next paragraphs might be blasphemy. > > Let me say first that I don¹t buy into that whole ³you didn¹t build that² > Obama-type rhetoric. I think that was really a Freudian-slip on his part, > allowing the listener into the workings of his thoughts and attitudes. I > think that what is paid for is a settled account, and that we can not > ascribe future debt to individuals or businesses as an excuse for levying > taxes (redistributing wealth). > > Having said that, let me state that my thesis is that, through direct and > indirect means, state sponsored research is made possible by all of us. It > is the fuel that allows the ideas and theories of authors to travel into > the > light of day. It is proximate support. That support allows the geniuses > among us (many on this forum) to ³push the human race forward.² > > Please examine the life cycle of a scholarly paper. It starts with an > idea. > It is supported by the hierarchy of the academic department, funds are > found, experiments performed or data collected. It is written and > re-written, and submitted to a journal for publication. How much do you > pay > to the publisher for the right of publication? It is reviewed by a panel > of > ³experts² and given thumbs up or thumbs down with the potential for > acceptance after revision. Those interested in the subject read the paper, > perhaps comment on it, perhaps being inspired to do their own experiments > or > collect their own data. > > What role does a publisher play? They certainly collect the money. I did > a > pro forma for a presentation I wanted to but never gave to a company in > Silicon Valley, looking at how much Elsevier made annually on the Annals of > Thoracic Surgery. It was impossible to say exactly, but I think it is > somewhere between $825,000 and $3.2 million, depending on the number and > type of subscriptions and advertising. > > So here is where I blaspheme. Why do we need publishers? Why can¹t we as > experts self-publish our journals? What added value does a publishing > house > provide to science and medicine? They hold knowledge hostage. They silo > and segment knowledge making it more cumbersome to access. They suck up > huge sums of money. Is there still a Journal of Mechanical Circulatory > Support? If not, why. If so, then why aren¹t I seeing its articles? What > are/were the pressures that caused success or failure? Were you given > equal > footing with other publications? Was it a victim of the impact factor? > > I propose that we do to scholarly journals what Steve Jobs did to music > publishers: make an iTunes-like store. Articles are songs, journals are > CD¹s, and publishers become much less important and influential - yet they > still live. There are no more paper journals, only files. And, breaking > free of paper, we can routinely add rich media to our articles to enhance > clarity and understanding. No more extra payment to Lippincott for a color > photo in the article. The cost of digital storage is so cheap, that a > year¹s worth of a journal¹s content would cost less than $1 per month. If > you subscribe then you get full text access. If you don¹t, then you buy an > article for $1.00. Sometimes even a heart surgeon needs an article from > the > Annals of Internal Medicine, and, believe it or not, many doctors do not > have access to an ³institutional² subscription. There is a lot of > healthcare provided in towns with populations < 50,000 people and not in a > university. > > The new ³apps² put forth by publishing houses are attempts to squelch > evolution, not enhance it. It is a middle aged parent trying to be ³hip² > but it just doesn¹t fly. It is your father¹s internet, and it is the same > old crap. > > In case your wondering, I have the infrastructure all worked out. You will > love it more than getting a fresh new JTCVS in the mail every month. > > Ed Bender, MD > > > On 1/14/13 1:56 PM, "Michael Firstenberg" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > As I recall, research publications that are supported under an NIH or > similar > > funded grant is supposed to be available for free > > Most, if not all of us, hopefully thru our hospital affiliations have > some > > degree of "free access" to mainstream medical literature - although > clearly > > not all. > > Many major Journals do make their content free after a peroid of ~6-12 > months > > Most authors are allowed to provide free PDF copies of their work to > those who > > request it > > Much of the article charges that you mention tend to be related to > industry > > activities that want to use the data in marketing > > ... and while you and I may had already 'paid' for the research (I > assume you > > mean taxes and donations) - we have not paid for the storage and > distribution > > of the results or all of the work that goes into transforming your > MSWord file > > into an acceptable PDF layout. > > > > yes - this is more complex than an answer over the phone - but published > > material is copyrighted and while the laws are, according to some, > out-dated > > by digital standard - it is the law and you are more than welcome to > propose a > > solution to the protection and rights of intellectual property. > > > > Go ask Rolling Stone or the Times (where this article was published) for > a > > Free copy of an article that they published and see what they say..... > > > > I am interested in your response when you get back to a computer...... > > > > -m > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 2:43 PM, Edward Bender <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> This deserves a response that can't be well written on a phone. > However, as > >> an intro, you and I have paid for this research. Should you pay > Elsevier $20 > >> for a current article? > >> Ed Bender, MD > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >> On Jan 14, 2013, at 1:34 PM, Michael Firstenberg <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> > >>> Ed, > >>> Being the computer guru that you are - I have a few questions.... > >>> you, your company, institution whomever invests millions in hardware, > >>> software, support, resource to populate and maintain a database for > some > >>> cause - and all of a sudden someone liberates all of that data and > says it > >>> must be free. Who is suppose to pay for the support and upkeep of the > >>> system - or do you prefer a Facebook/Google type approach of targeted > >>> advertising bombarding everyplace you visit. Or should we just raise > taxes > >>> more to pay for some of these systems in which a nominal support fee > was > >>> charged to access the data? > >>> > >>> Obviously these issues are a little more complex and this case is > beyond > >>> tragic - to lose such a brilliant mind - but also remember, as a music > >>> fan/historian - many brilliant minds are lost before their time due to > >>> mental health related issues. > >>> > >>> -michael > >>> > >>> > >>> On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 1:38 PM, Edward Bender <[email protected] > > > >>> wrote: > >>>> > http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/14/technology/aaron-swartz-a-data-crusader-a > >>>> nd-now-a-cause.html > >>>> > >>>> This is as tragic as it gets. Even the company whom he invaded did > not > >>>> want to press charges (he worked with them also), but a minor league > >>>> prosecutor, under the guise of self-righteous legal fundamentalism > (read > >>>> Taliban-like dogma) mightily contributed to the death of this poor > genius. > >>>> What is right about this? It may be legal, but it is certainly not > right. > >>>> > >>>> Ed Bender, MD > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> OpenHeart-L mailing list > >>>> > >>>> Send postings to: > >>>> [email protected] > >>>> > >>>> To UNSUBSCRIBE, to CHANGE email address, or to view archives: > >>>> http://lists.hsforum.com/listinfo.cgi/openheart-l-hsforum.com > >>>> > >>>> All messages transmitted by the OpenHeart-L are subject to the > policies and > >>>> disclaimers posted at: > >>>> http://www.hsforum.com/listdisclaim > >>>> ----------------------------------------- > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> OpenHeart-L mailing list > >>> > >>> Send postings to: > >>> [email protected] > >>> > >>> To UNSUBSCRIBE, to CHANGE email address, or to view archives: > >>> http://lists.hsforum.com/listinfo.cgi/openheart-l-hsforum.com > >>> > >>> All messages transmitted by the OpenHeart-L are subject to the > policies and > >>> disclaimers posted at: > >>> http://www.hsforum.com/listdisclaim > >>> ----------------------------------------- > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> OpenHeart-L mailing list > >> > >> Send postings to: > >> [email protected] > >> > >> To UNSUBSCRIBE, to CHANGE email address, or to view archives: > >> http://lists.hsforum.com/listinfo.cgi/openheart-l-hsforum.com > >> > >> All messages transmitted by the OpenHeart-L are subject to the policies > and > >> disclaimers posted at: > >> http://www.hsforum.com/listdisclaim > >> ----------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > OpenHeart-L mailing list > > > > Send postings to: > > [email protected] > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE, to CHANGE email address, or to view archives: > > http://lists.hsforum.com/listinfo.cgi/openheart-l-hsforum.com > > > > All messages transmitted by the OpenHeart-L are subject to the policies > and > > disclaimers posted at: > > http://www.hsforum.com/listdisclaim > > ----------------------------------------- > > > _______________________________________________ > OpenHeart-L mailing list > > Send postings to: > [email protected] > > To UNSUBSCRIBE, to CHANGE email address, or to view archives: > http://lists.hsforum.com/listinfo.cgi/openheart-l-hsforum.com > > All messages transmitted by the OpenHeart-L are subject to the policies and > disclaimers posted at: > http://www.hsforum.com/listdisclaim > ----------------------------------------- > > ----- End forwarded message ----- > -- > Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org";>leitl</a> http://leitl.org > ______________________________________________________________ > ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org > 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE > -- > Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password at: > https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech >
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