To me, the real question is, *If* Bluecoat, why are things going so well for them when they are a 45 minute drive from activists in San Francisco? Happy to explain--off this list--what this means in terms of political strategy and offline, nonviolent direct action.
This is definitely not an indictment of any group--there's amazing activism going on an a zillion fires to put out. But there are great opportunities to be explored. Kate Krauss (formerly of ACT UP Golden Gate, a group that successfully targeted major companies on the peninsula, from SF) On Sat, Apr 6, 2013 at 10:41 AM, Jillian C. York <[email protected]>wrote: > Honestly? Because there is ample evidence to support it at the moment. I > would also suggest that it's only "singled out" in the US - in Europe, the > focus right now is on Gamma (FinFisher) and Amesys, largely. > > Activists have been accused in the past of "singling out" Cisco as well. > Attention has now turned to Bluecoat. When there is evidence of another > company's misdeeds, attention will surely turn there. > > Is that sufficient logic for you? > > On Sat, Apr 6, 2013 at 11:50 AM, Bernard Tyers - ei8fdb <[email protected] > > wrote: > >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> >> Hi, >> >> I've been thinking about this for a while, and can't find a logical >> reason. Possibly I'm not thinking about it hard enough. >> >> I'm curious as to why Bluecoat seem to be singled out for all this >> attention regarding use in countries where the governments are "not nice"? >> Is it because they are a public, well known company? A lot the same stories >> repeat the same stories of Bluecoat equipment being used in the same >> oppressive regimes. >> >> As someone who worked in ISP level infrastructure for a while (thankfully >> no longer), I've seen the equipment used "for neutral uses" - network >> management, etc. >> >> However, there are a lot more sinister and disgusting companies who's >> products *sole-purpose* is surveillance and censorship, and sole market is >> those oppressive countries we talk about on this list. >> >> My point of view is not to defend Bluecoat, quite the opposite, but there >> are nastier and uglier fish out there. >> >> Can anyone set me right, or give an opinion? On or off list is fine. >> >> thanks, >> Bernard >> >> - -------------------------------------- >> Bernard / bluboxthief / ei8fdb >> >> IO91XM / www.ei8fdb.org >> >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >> Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.17 (Darwin) >> Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org >> >> iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJRX+/0AAoJENsz1IO7MIrrMQcH/1vOMQvty80EZkCGcqbXiT9t >> SI0o9OOU+wn3Am5ERwDfXlcXy+V/28vbXxPvbhRtjIukF1X94fgJ95+ODn2dOY6g >> B4wnOmLzvDT8HovPhf1zH4Dkot3N50Rkt4V4k29163EYVPgLkkuRrPgU6HGwB9IH >> dVW54KNXnZX3sXFsYle0j8rayI1tgPWpesPpWCe/J5pI+ljLTFbLEJ+Ytz6rPbqu >> y4c/Irjknh8NCVr1LLaGnTkeZQstv5oWZErRrv0bl9Qkm737PAkUCmhTjvBoJw7+ >> kJ9b7lFjJ2h9TRdw54RwTomRrhe4yYmPYlWnSyy4k6d6PK1B7bjKdUT89xjn4jY= >> =PYRZ >> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >> -- >> Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by >> emailing moderator at [email protected] or changing your settings at >> https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech >> > > > > -- > US: +1-857-891-4244 | NL: +31-657086088 > site: jilliancyork.com <http://jilliancyork.com/>* | * > twitter: @jilliancyork* * > > "We must not be afraid of dreaming the seemingly impossible if we want the > seemingly impossible to become a reality" - *Vaclav Havel* > > -- > Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by > emailing moderator at [email protected] or changing your settings at > https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech >
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