x z: > 2013/6/8 Jacob Appelbaum <ja...@appelbaum.net> > >> Oh man, Glenn Greenwald is my hero and a hero to us all. > > > Do you still believe Glenn's reporting that NSA has "direct access to > servers of firms including Google, Apple and Facebook"?
Yeah, I think it is clearly a FISA interface or API of some kind. Either that or it is pwnage of the server. Probably one or the other in some cases. > In my view, he > misled the world intentionally (the few prism training slides published did > not seem to claim this). Glenn is at best a wacky journalist without common > sense. He just broke the story of the decade, good to know your views on him. > > His reporting on the Verizon case was good, but I think his credibility > bankrupted after the PRISM one. We disagree, obviously. You'll see soon enough and when you're eating crow, I'm sure we'll have another discussion. > > Everyone on >> this list who was looking for 'some evidence' about global surveillance >> and previously ignored all other evidence, well, here you go! >> >> "Revealed: The NSA's powerful tool for cataloguing data – including >> figures on US collection" >> >> >> http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/08/nsa-boundless-informant-global-datamining >> >> This screenshot from the program is very web 2.0: >> >> >> >> http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2013/6/8/1370715185657/boundless-heatmap-large-001.jpg >> >> The NSA is spying on the US and on the rest of the planet. There is no >> ability to deny this anymore. Anyone who denies it is a complete moron. >> >> I don't understand why this "evidence" is significant in any way. NSA > certainly has lots of information, and a web2.0'ish tool is nothing > surprising. It's rather moot to state "anyone who denies it is a complete > moron". It's like the highway patrol keeping my driving record. > Why does it matter if you are surprised? Also, your analogy is tired and boring. This is nothing like a highway patrol. > Again, I'm not rooting for NSA. I think its power need to be limited and it > needs more transparency. But I hate using misinformation or hyperbole to > achieve that goal. This hurts the credibility of all the pro-privacy groups > in general. I don't see any misinformation or hyperbole from Glenn. I see contradicting claims between governments and corporations. I also see that he wanted to ensure everyone understood what each side claimed. Note the very carefully worded denials all around. All the best, Jacob -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
