-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2013.06.29 11.49, David Golumbia wrote: > I really think that is wrong, because it looks at the problem from > a purely technical level.
I'm not. I'm trying to solve specific technical problems which support larger social ends. > This is documented spy operations 101, all over any history of > CIA, NSA, etc., you care to read. In fact, it's old-fashioned > spying, and the fetish for pursuing technological intelligence > makes it easy to overlook the more pedestrian kind. This is fine. I'm not saying that using a network like this will make you invulnerable to HUMINT. What I am saying is that networks can a) force your adversary to use HUMINT (which is a lot more expensive), and possibly even give you some tools to help maintain your social graph integrity, etc. People want social network like things. Not everyone in the world is running a terrorist cell, and it makes no sense to expect them to restructure their social lives as though they were, any more than it makes sense to ask them to restructure their digital lives similarly. People want to share what they're doing with people they know and like, and they want to do so in ways which have social currency, i.e. which while they don't have to be at all centralized, are an identifiable medium with identifiable social affordances. This is going to happen and even if we could get rid of it, it would mean a massive and terrifying distortion of the social lives of everyone in the world, to the point where "the [state security services] would have won". If we build tools that force spooks to use HUMINT to get in, we've won. Folks running intelligence operations of any kind will need to learn better tradecraft, which has always been true. Privacy-preserving, as a property, doesn't mean "if you don't think about what you're doing in the world you can run black ops on this platform". It means "you can keep what you're doing here private against mass observation by the motivated and targeted observation by the non-resourced". Or, at least, I think that's a bar that's actually meaningful and can be achieved; what you're talking about can't. E. - -- Ideas are my favorite toys. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32) iF4EAREIAAYFAlHPBckACgkQQwkE2RkM0wriPAD/fRfv8dsBPeBvjXGeXt6QPiWR k6kDlU5Uy40mF9bNhB4BAJw23ZbDxfdOd+Wc/U8L8nelLC2xhApiSdYUkZ58s7n2 =dOeD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at [email protected] or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
