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On 07/01/2013 03:44 PM, taxakis wrote: > Of course not, Eugen! They all know it. But now there's proof. > Tangible documents stamped Top Secret. And there's a witness, > Snowden, who plainly details it in front of a TV camera. And in a > fairly articulate way. And then, they see the US administration > going on tilt due to that. Mr. Kerry and others want Snowden's > blood. Even threatening other nations, Russia, Ecuador. Before > that it was all hearsay. Some politicians for a long time only > licked on the edges of the Tony Bunyan report telling the world > about Echelon. It was all illusive, probably true, but then still > illusive; no real meat for politicians. Now they know for sure > that it's true beyond their wildest imagination. And now they're > all sharpening the knives..... I actually see very little knife sharpening. Happy that the son-of-ACTA is in the freezer for a bit but that does nothing for the privacy of half a billion Europeans. Given that the EU policy apparatus already had a good set of policy ideas in july 2001 (see my article http://consortiumnews.com/2013/06/19/how-to-thwart-internet-spying/) it is rather curious that not a single MEP or EU commisioner has proposed any of them (on or off the record - I've been mailing with several of them over the last week). As one of the many people who have spent over a decade talking to government officials, elected representatives and the occasional minister about this stuff the response so far is one of deafening silence. None of the angy foot-stamping does anything. Moving European information systems out of the US sphere of influence would do something. Have European data only on European soil. Running on systems not owned in any way by US companies. Use only FOSS for antyhing more serious than the membership administration of the local tennisclub. Instruct all citizens on the use of FOSS as part of the mandatory national educational programs. Promote preinstalled FOSS on client systems for sale to consumers. Educate all citizens on basic infosec concepts, behaviours and tools for free. Invest in better FOSS tools and apps. Ban the manadatory use of things like Gmail, Windows, Facebook in government funded educational systems. Ban US companies from touching European medical data-processing systems. etc etc ect... None of the above is anything that has not been said and written by many advocates over the last 20 years orso. The only question is, will European governments actually *do* something this time? This case is a great litmus test for where European governments are. Will they keep 'talking' with a government that has shown utter disrespect for the most basic rights of 95.5% humans on this planet? Or will they do the only job that justifies their existence: take immediate and concrete steps toward protecting the rights of *their* citizens. In the coming months governments or individual European nations can show themselves to be democratic governments or US vassals. Predicted vassals: - - The UK - - Ireland - - Denmark - - Sweden - - The Netherlands Somewhat functioning governments (YMMV): - - Norway - - Germany - - France - - Spain - - Portugal - - Chech republic (?) - - Iceland (?) - -- Met vriendelijke groet/With kind regards, Arjen Kamphuis Gendo B.V. 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