On 09/26/2013 12:32 AM, coderman wrote:
On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 1:34 PM, Jonathan Wilkes <jancs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
...
Roger Dingledine has said that his biggest fear is that the
NSA has found a way to break Tor,
citation? ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VUyuFH9CbI
It was a mistake to say "said that his biggest fear"-- I was thinking back,
using my faulty
memory of that clip, but he never said that. "Big fear" is a fair paraphrase,
though. Anyway since it's in the middle of a 4 hour video I made a quick
transcript. You
can read it below for yourself.
From around 3hours in...
So To tie this a little bit more directly into Tor--
One of the points that Jake made about surveillance data as a currency-- so,
long ago people would say the NSA can watch a lot of the internet so they can
probably break parts of Tor, right?
And I would say yes-- good thing the NSA is not your adversary. And then if their adversary is the
FBI I was imagining the FBI making a phone call to the NSA and saying, "Hey, can you help me
out here?" And I was imagining the NSA saying, "I don't know what you're talking about.
We can't do that."*Hang up*
And so the different organizations who refused to talk to each other, and in particular groups like NSA who
might refuse to admit that they had certain capabilities-- we relied on this separation to provide the
security side. But now what I really worry about-- it's not like the NSA will actually reveal that they can
do this-- but let's say an FBI guy calls them up and says, "Hey, I've got this problem. Can you help me
out?" I'm now imagining the NSA person not saying, "I don't know what you're talking about,"
but instead saying, "Hey, check this person out. And I'm sorry-- I can't tell you how I know that. And
also don't say it was me."
And now they go tap his phone. And they do other stuff and they learn about
him. And then they find whatever they were looking for if-- maybe or maybe
not. But I worry that there's more collaboration between... and here, I was
giving the example of the NSA and FBI, but NSA and BND(?), BND and FBI, some
place in Sweden, some place all around the world...
I worry about continued cooperation, not-- and they're all really very separated in terms
of what they're willing to admit that they can do... but, "Why don't I help you out
you'll help me out next time? I won't provide any information about how I got it but,
yeah, I've got this huge database. I'll do a search for you."
That really scares me.
... and they whisper what
they know to other agencies only in those cases where
doing so wouldn't risk letting the cat out of the bag.
the TLAs are already adept at this "source laundering"!
i suspect it is the latter that is more concerning. of course NSA has
the ability; but do they share it?
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