I'm not sure that every American company, by law, must implement a backdoor, as 
you imply. The last time I checked, iMessage was a very secure platform with no 
known vulnerabilities — which in fact has made Apple struggle with US agencies 
more than a few times.

FL

> On 14-01-2017, at 10:02, carlo von lynX <l...@time.to.get.psyced.org> wrote:
> 
>> On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 07:26:29PM -0500, Sebastian Benthall wrote:
>> https://whispersystems.org/blog/there-is-no-whatsapp-backdoor/
>>>> https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/jan/13/
> 
> I've also read 
> http://www.golem.de/news/schluesselaustausch-aufregung-um-angebliche-whatsapp-backdoor-1701-125571.html
> and https://tobi.rocks/pdf/whatsappslides.pdf
> and to me it seems like all of the articles are
> technically describing the same procedure.
> The difference is only in the framing.
> 
> For Facebook it is a necessity that people not be
> bothered by key changes, for anyone in the libtech
> business it is an alarming signal that MITM is
> technicaly possible by default and users must be
> specifically aware of the issue to avoid it.
> 
> But why is anyone even expecting any true privacy
> from an American proprietary product? Have the
> PRISM and MUSCULAR programs suddenly been discontinued?
> Has Freedom Act amended NSLs also for non-Americans?
> How could Facebook afford not to pump everything they
> can get into XKEYSCORE as before? Why did the European
> Supreme Court rule that the US is not a safe harbor
> for EU citizen data? Did I miss any recent developments?
> 
> Is it the general strategy to have people debate whether
> there is a backdoor when by law Whatsapp MUST have some
> backdoor?
> 
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